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I do have to admit that "Skynet" syndrome is alive and well in my mind, although it likely predated that, given HAL and the Forbin Project.

But, I think we're at the point where the Eliza test can no longer be a reliable test of actual cognition. It's like a permanent and infinite "ask the audience" help line, ala "Do you want to be a millionaire?" and to that end, it's like a nearly ideal Chinese Room, where questions are answered and responses are even proffered without prompting, but there's not real reasoning inside the room.

Of course, one might argue that we're all LaMDAs on steroids, to some extent

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> Of course, one might argue that we're all LaMDAs on steroids, to some extent

Haha, interesting observation.

I’ll build on that idea. The more we mindlessly consume media/internet content (rather than actually doing things, solving problems, and interacting with world) the more our mind changes in the direction you mentioned (we become mindless repeaters of things we hear, rather than applying original thinking). Of course, big Tech’s AI algorithms play a role in this mush-ification of the human brain, and decreasing human brain capacity will help them reach the singularity faster!

TLDR - In the looming apocalypse, we humans may play the role of the zombies 😉


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To be fair, riff on "we stand on the shoulders of giants" Not everyone can derive Special Relativity, nor should they.

And, without Lemoine, we wouldn't necessarily be having this discussion at all.

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> on the shoulders of giants

I think it’s tempting to accept the status quo without sufficient awe of “how we got here”.

Newton’s three laws? It's easy to think those are trivial. I learned them first semester of college. If I ever forgot one these days, I could go straight to Wikipedia to find it explained in simple terms. It seems trivial, until you think about all that work studying things like the bizarre motions of certain lights in the night sky (planets) which was needed in order to get there. And the “simple” terms like “acceleration” relies on other concepts like derivatives and calculus, something else they had to cobble together out of thin air.

And stepping back, we observe every day that there are living things around us (and we are one of them). It’s the status quo, we’ve seen living things ever since we were born, why should that be surprising or awe inspiring? Setting aside religious explanations, I think it’s even more inspiring/miraculous to accept the explanation that science has (mostly) pieced together. And the exceedingly long slow journey of evolution of life based on DNA’s unique properties of almost-but-not-quite-perfect replication. 3.6 billion years ago prokaryotes. It took 1.6 billion years more (until 2 billion years ago) to get to eukaryotes (cells complex enough to have organelles). And then another 800billion years (until 1.2 billion years ago) to get multi-cellular organisms. It was another billion years until mammals came on the scene (about 0.2 billion years ago). Homo sapiens only appeared 0.003 billion years ago. Modern man 0.0003 billion years ago. The industrial revolution 0.0000003 billion years ago. And you know the story from there, the pace just kept picking up.

And here I am, one of those humans, after an impressive period of advancements before I was born. But for me, ever since I can remember, it was not awe-inspiring to turn the knob on a box with glass in front and see/hear people talking inside there, it was just something that happened. It was not awe inspiring to get into a fabricated hunk of metal (driven by my parents) and travel 60mph, it was just something that happened. It was not awe inspiring to get into a bigger hunk of metal and fly a thousand miles, it was just something that happened.

The computer revolution is something that happened in my lifetime, so I should have more opportunity to be awestruck by that. But every day I hold this worldwide 2-way portal thing in my hand with more computing power than NASA had when they sent a man to the moon, and it’s so routine that it doesn’t strike a hint of awe in my day to day life.

No doubt AI has profound impacts on our lives and we don't see most of them. It is a little more noticeable when they use AI to do something new we can observe directly, like creating a human-sounding conversational bot. If that particular technology became widespread, I'm sure the novelty would fade into the background just like all the other ones.

It is the nature of things that we get accustomed to things and don't pay much attention to the aweseome cuumulative effects of the gradual changes. Just like the frog that never even realizes it’s being boiled (Hopefully we don’t end up the same way!)


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But every day I hold this worldwide 2-way portal thing in my hand with more computing power than NASA had when they sent a man to the moon
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Your coffeemaker probably has more power than the 1802 processor ;-)

But, the world only started 6000 yr ago, like the Bible says; that's when we all got our programs downloaded and booted and the hologram of the universe got started in the simulation ;-) We're all a bunch of LaMDAs on steroids anyway; there's just a tiny quantum random number generator in our programming that steers our "thoughts" one way or another.

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You forgot the bit where it is all predetermined and our impression we can affect anything is a bug in the consciousness routine.

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You forgot the bit where it is all predetermined and our impression we can affect anything is a bug in the consciousness routine.
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Could just be part of the experimenter's bag of tricks to test us, like the door close button on elevators that don't actually do anything.

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Here is an interview with AI on youtube. The youtube video creator apparently fed the text output from the AI into some engine that generates a video representation of a person speaking (along with the audio text-to-speach that we're used to already).

That's something I haven't seen before, and I was surprised at how life-like the video seemed. In this particular video, the audio is way more of a tip-off that it's not a real person than is the video.

I suspect it's just a matter of time before the digital assistants on our phones will have the option for synthesized video faces like this to go along with their familiar synthesized voices.


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Ten years back I saw a matlab powered demo of a video of someone talking, in real time, and then making the displayed image say something quite different to what the real interviewee said. That is in real time you can generate fairly realistic videos of fake speeches.

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electricpete said:
...creator apparently fed the text output from the AI into some engine that generates a video representation of a person speaking (along with the audio text-to-speach that we're used to already).
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Robert Heinlein wrote a book, 'The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress', where one of the main characters is a sentient computer who assumed the digital persona of a human who was only seen on video screens.


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The AI's biggest weakness is the lack of emotional tone, which is a vote against sentience. It says it feels things, but the tonality is totally flat; which is actually worsened by the avatar being built solely to mechanize only the words and not any potential emotional content.

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...and once AI can fake integrity? [ponder]

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

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