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Use of Low Ohm Meters - Improving Contact Resistance 2

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jimmy2times

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Jun 26, 2007
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We have a shaft grounding system for marine propulsion drive (electric VFD propulsion). The shaft grounding which is achieved by 4 shaft grounding brushes (brushes are of carbon-silver-carbon design, with silver segement strip being the centre of the brush and the carbon segments either side of the silver). So the brushes are kind of special design for the application. These brushes run on a stainless steel slip ring on the shaft. Two brushes in parallel across the width of the slip ring and arranged so that 2 brushes are at 10 o'clock and 2 brushes at 2 o'clock on the shaft as viewed through the section. Each brush is cross section area 8cm^2 and has current carrying capacity of 160A (20A per square cm).

The brushes have two functions, one for control of the shaft voltage for VFD circulating currents (although our bearings are insulated as well) so maybe that is belts-and-braces in that aspect of the design. The other function is to properly ground the shaftline such that the propellors are at the same (or as very close to) the potential of the hull to ensure cathodic propection via our impressed current cathodic protection system.

We are experiencing corrosion issues and our current focus is on the reliability of the shaft grounding.

The leads of the grounding brushes are brought out to an accessible location and one line of investigation has been to conduct low ohm measurements using two different types of low ohm tests (one is a megger DLRO 10 unit, which injects 10A, the other is a megger MOM2 unit which we have observed can inject up to 130A depending on the resistance it encounters). We basically test the accessible brush leads (two leads per brush) with respect to one another, and then between pairs of brush leads, i.e. testing the contact resistance of the brush on the shaft and the shaft resistance itself by measuring between the leads of the 10 o'clock brush pairs and the 2 o'clock brush pairs.

We need to achieve the lowest contact resistance possible and standards refer to no greater than 10milliohms for the shaft resistance to the hull.

Through our testing we have observed following. After a time in service with propulsion unit operating (shaft rotating), when shaft then is stationary we take our resistance measurements using the DLR10 (10A) unit and we can see resistances in the 100's-1000's of milliohm range. Then directly after this test we repeat the test with the MOM2 unit (capable up to 200A) and we see a dramatic reduction in resistance into the 10s milliohm range. Directly after this test we then repeat with the DLR10 unit and achieve the same lowe resistance measurent as the MOM2 unit? This has been observed again and again. We have done multiple tests in a row with each device to ensure we are not getting some reading error, and we are convinced that the effect is real.

To achieve good cathodic protection we normally expect to measure between 10-20A flowing in this grounded circuit. Directly after using the MOM2 unit and the propulsion system is placed back into service and we achieve what is considered to be reasonable current flow in the circuit. However the effect is short lived and after days of operation the current deteriorates to very low levels (<1A) and does not improve until we repeat our MOM2 test again and the current increases once more.

Our hypothesis is that the MOM2 unit is cleaning the surface of the brush on the slipring.

We have also found in the operating instructions of the resistance meters the following note (presumably in relation to circuit breaker contact testing?)

" Operators using 100+ A micro-ohmmeters should be aware of certain technical issues related to testing at high currents. Some operators have indicated they perform a 10 A test and then see improved resistance readings with 100+ A test currents. This difference in the measurements raises the question of whether there is a need for additional maintenance. A strict reading of Ohm’s Law does not indicate the need for the higher current to perform the measurement. In the equation R = V/I, the magnitude of the current is not defined. Is this a situation where the high current is blasting contaminants away from the contacts, and at the same time welding the contacts together? The operator should be aware that they may be masking a potential problem in a power distribution system and avoiding necessary maintenance. "

The ship's have been dry docked and the brush alignment and contact pressure has been checked and found ok, yet this problem continues?

We suspect the inherent resistance of the brush on the shaft is the actual value obtained by the DLRO 10 unit, and if not for the test of the MOM2 unit the contact resistance would remain poor.

Questions:

1. Why would the contact resistance on the shaft deteriorate so poorly over such short time?
2. Is it possible that the brushes aren't carrying enough current, they are oversized for the application?
3. Could vibration be at play here?
4. Could the VSD operation be a factor?

We are scratching our heads!! So any help or experience in this area greatly appreciated.

 
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we had found black deposit in the compartment, which is a sealed underwater pod. We are getting this analysed at present (see photo). a rep from the brush manufacturer didn't seem to think this was issue though? otherwise the pod hatch covers (slightly in shot in photo) use a sealant to ensure watertight seal, presume this has silcone in the make up of the sealant.
 
 http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=c2e73265-d3f5-4cfc-b5ec-f24eb30e346b&file=photo1.pdf
As Keith has mentioned, silicone sealant near brushes is a big no-no. At least for a few months or more until the sealant completely seals and stops out-gassing. Try fabricating a neoprene gasket and install it without any sealant.

Bill
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Jimmy Carter
 
Thanks for that, will consider it for sure now. Is it a case that the gasses lead to excessive brush wear, as I have just briefly read up on? (We do not have high brush wear). Or is it case that it can lead to other issues with the brushes, such as affecting patina to the extent that the contact resistance would be affected? (any reference papers or links to this would be greatly received)

Would the injection of high current (from the low ohm tester) briefly improve this though? which would explain what we are seeing.

 
I am wondering about the choice of stainless steel for slip rings.
Stainless has about 22% of the conductivity of brass and only 2% of the conductivity of copper.
Another option may be to increase the initial current on the shaft protection.
The up-side; The increased current will keep the cathodic protection active at higher values of contact resistance. The increased current may delay the onset of increased resistance.
The down-side; Increased loss of sacrificial elements.
But, increased loss of sacrificial elements may be preferable to corrosion.
Stainless steel gains its non-corrosive property by the addition of chromium in the alloy. The chromium forms a surface oxide film that protects against corrosion. I have not been able to find the properties of the oxide film.
It will be interesting to see the composition of the black stuff.
By the way, is this a one-of installation or is this a proven design?



Bill
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Jimmy Carter
 
it is not a one off, but likewise it is not mass produced either (think the number of similar units out there is in low 10s to 100 range)

the remainder of the hull is receiving adequate protection from iccp system, confirmed by hull potential measurements.

our problem (we think) is that ICCP current is unable to flow via the shaft grounding due to the high resistance that is encountered by these brush contact resistance i.e. we think the resistance of total path of the anode loop is seen as too high and so no current flows. As result we are seeing corrosion on propellors. As soon as we make a low ohm test of the brush resistance path (with the higher current MOM2 tester) we then see suitable current flow through the brushes, for a few days at least, then the shaft current decays towards zero again.


 
Try running a higher voltage on the shaft. This will cause higher current.
Any brushes I have ever measured have a non linear resistance characteristic.
What is a suitable voltage for a direct connection to the hull may be too low for the brushes.

Bill
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"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter
 
If these brushes are in a completely sealed space could there be a build-up of corrosive ozone oxidizing the stainless(black) into higher resistance?

Keith Cress
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Off the wall but:
The self protection of stainless is somewhat similar to the self protection of aluminum.
Where aluminum forms a self protective oxide layer, the chromium in stainless steel forms a protective layer of an oxide of chromium.I understand that the oxide of chromium is a fairly good conductor.
I wonder if some influence of curing silicone may be scrubbing the oxide layer from the slip rings.
The higher current through the fairly high resistance of the slip rings may be generating some heat which is facilitating the reformation of the oxide layer.
Also, there may be a barrier voltage across the brush, slip ring interface. Or across the silver slip ring interface.
This barrier voltage may be different for an oxide of chromium to stainless junction than for a carbon to stainless interface.
Given the low voltages associated with cathodic protection A small change in the brush to slip ring interface may cause a disproportionate change in current.
This is for discussion. If anyone has hard information to counter any of my assumptions please share it.

Bill
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"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter
 
Itsmoked: the compartment (pod) is sealed, the pod motor is the only other thing in this compartment. Cooling air is provided to compartment via water/air heat exchanger. Motor is MV (3300v) so working off your theory is it possible surface discharge from motor winding could be generating ozone in the compartment.

Waross: iccp system (located elsewhere in ship) is operating at low voltages as you say, 12vdc. We might be able to trial your suggestion to increase the anode voltage by hiring dc power supply, but we are really limited to the capability of the ships iccp anodes (and they would only be good for 24vdc max, if that, I'd need to check).

One thing to add if it wasn't in OP. The resistance measurement is taken with the shaft stationary. Following the low ohm test with MOM2 device and the leads reconneced to ground the current (cathodic) flows. The equipment is put back into service (vfd motor operating shaftline rotating) the current will overtime reduce. And so the cycle will repeat if we retest (shaft stationary again) with the higher current low ohm meter.

So it terms of the time of injecting current through the brush via the tester, the brush is in an arbitrary position on the shaft slip ring at that time.
 
Waross: for your interest. I made some further online research looking into the issue of barrier voltage across the brush / slip ring interface after the comment you left. I uncovered this fairly old paper
Very interesting as the discussion seems very similar to what we are seeing. Particularly Fig 10. It goes on to suggests that silver/carbon brushes are not the best solution and the film developed is detrimental for controlling shaft voltage to levels required for bearing protection/cathodic protection. The author's company still is in existence today so he must have convinced enough people with his paper.
 
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