Ventilation on emergency power 1

[chemguy07]

thread184-134997

stookeyfpe

Can you clarify this

IFC has multiple requirements’ for ventilation


2704.3
3404.3.7.4
3404.3.8.4
3405.3.7.5.1

And in 2704.7 it states as follows

where mechanical ventilation , treatment systems , temp control, alarm detection or other electrically operated system is required , "such system shall be provided with emergency or standby power system in accordance with the ICC electrical code and section 604


Are you saying that 2704.7 and 604 don’t apply to the list of sections that require ventilation

 

[stookeyfpe]

What's the question? I may be a code guy but I got to have more information as to the design. You might as well have asked me if I eat pickled cabbage and aged beef, could this condition, along with a 6 pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon, cause a level of incontenence that results in my flatulence ending all life of the entire population located in a small town in Oklahoma? If you can answer my question, you probably can answer your own question.

 

[29751001]

You wrote that a specific rule take over a general rule

I am trying to figure out if the requirements of 2704.3 for ventilation ... will need to have standby or emergency power as noted in 2704.7


same goes for the requirement of 3404.3.8.3 & 3404.3.7.3

if you apply 2704.7 as written .. that would include the fire sprinkler system .. alarm system .. and any electrically operated system required by code ....



how do you know what is a specific and what is a general rule

 

[chemguy07]

29751001 DON'T BUTT in on someone elses question (unless you have a answer !! )

stookeyfpe - This is what you wrote in the other thread (I WILL ASK MY QUESTION IN BOLD, NEXT TO YOUR COMMENTS)

I'm fairly certain the state of Indiana has adopted either the 2000 or 2003 edition of the International Fire Code. The IFC has a general provision for standby power in hazardous (Group H) occupancies. WHICH CHAPTER?

However, it also has specific provisions in Chapter 34 that govern flammable liquids. The IFC has no specific provision for standby power for mechanical ventilation systems in H occupancies storing flammable liquids. UNLESS I AM READING IT WRONGLY, WHAT IS 2704.7 & 2705.1.5 ?

If the fire marshal states it is a general provision in the hazardous materials chapter (chapter 27), advise him/her that Chapter 1 (administrative requirements) states that when one attempts to apply a general versus specific provision, the specific provision takes precedence.
IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT CHAPTER
27 IS ALL ABOUT GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND IF CHAPTER 34 ADDRESSES A REQUIREMENT THEN 34 IS THE SPECIFIC CHAPTER?

NFPA 30 has no requirements for standby power unless it is included as an element of a performance design.

If you can find out what fire code is adopted I will be happy to perform a more thorough code analysis. "


I THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN PROVIDE

 

[rbulsara]

chemguy:

How long does it take to type "state of Indiana fire code" in google search?

 

[chemguy07]

not long

But that was not my question ,

My state adopted the ibc and ifc code , and based on that i was asking the question

 

[rbulsara]

chem:

OK..I thought you are in Indiana and asking the question.

 

[stookeyfpe]

I don't know either of you but sure asking for a lot of free intellectual knowledge. Until someone sends me a check, I can't answer the questions.

If I need a EE, I must pay Rebulsara and I don't know his rate.

I've tried to solve your problems - you guys are asking so many questions that I turned off my "easy" button.

Work it out with the code official or find someone who can work this out for you.

 

[rbulsara]

Good answer!, stookeyfpe.

 

[chemguy07]

I only posted 1 thread to this forum , I have learned alot by reading old posts,

After reading so many postings that you made, I figured that you would clarify this a bit more.

But I understand your decision, since this was a more intense question that usual




PS. should I need your help in the future how would i contact you , and what are your rates ?

 

[stookeyfpe]

Your project is in PA according to a post on another web board. I sent you a link for a very reliable and competent consultant in the state - you should use him since he's more knowledgeable than me on the Pennsylvania construction codes.