What do you think of the Governor's Magical Energy Plan ? 2

[MJCronin]

Mr. 100% ....

I will always have a warm place in my heart for those who make insane demands on others with absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

IMHO, it is a clear sign of the "end of days" when lawyers, political scientists and MBAs plan our electric grid growth and building energy systems development

Engineers, scientists, designers and drafters should not write laws..... and these ignorant people should not make this kind of policy

From The Atlantic:

"Inslee would require that, by 2030, 100 percent of new cars sold in the United States must be fully electric, 100 percent of U.S. electricity must come from carbon-neutral sources, and 100 percent of newly constructed buildings must emit no greenhouse gases from their kitchens, chimneys, or heating systems."

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...v0fle0wU3aCZmRm34wdKnbTrRcNd74FRMh0duN7gfx234

Here is the Cronin energy plan:

By 2030 100% of all cars and trucks will be banned and everyone MUST ride around on unicorns fueled by magic and good feelings !!!! The only emissions permitted from the unicorns will be marshmallos .... from their butts

Anybody else out there agree with me ???

MJCronin
Sr. Process Engineer

 

[btrueblood]

Here in Wash. state, a lot of us are hoping the rest of you will elect this guy just so we don't have to listen to him anymore...

 

[JoshPlumSE]

The only emissions permitted from the unicorns will be marshmallos...from their butts

LOL! But, has anyone checked to see how toxic marshmallows are when released into our streams and rivers?

Does this guy at least recognize that for carbon free electricity, nuclear power has to be part of the solution? Most "environmentalists" seem to think that nuclear power should also be eliminated for some reason.

 

[rb1957]

is it …

1) a trouble shared is a trouble halved, or
2) a trouble shared is a trouble doubled ?

Youguys in Wash. state will have to listen to him just as much (if not more so) if he's elected, but then we'll all be inflicted with his aural out-pourings.

take one for the team ! If he stays in your neck of the woods, then I (and most of the rest of the world) can ignore him.

I suggest we build a nuke or two in Washington state …

This made me think of the "philosophers" in Gulliver's Travels … (copied from wiki) …
... Gulliver meets the people of the floating island of Laputa, immediately realizing the inhabitants are a very distracted people who have a limited attention span very narrow-minded interests. To a fault, their only concerns are science, and music, and philosophical ponderings. Gulliver proceeds to observe the Laputans: their clothes do not fit, and are decorated with various astrological symbols and musical notations. The vast majority of their time is spent listening to the "music of the spheres." They believe obsessively in astrology, and continually worry that the sun will burn out at any moment. Gulliver notes that for all their "knowledge," the Laputan houses are poorly constructed, and lack any accurate right angles. Laputan women seems to have very healthy sex drives, and become adulterous since the Laputan men are too distracted with the impending doom they perceive to be interested in lovemaking. Their women prefer men from the earth-bound island of Balnibarbi, who have no such preoccupation. Their Laputan husbands possess such tunnel-vision in their mathematical and musical calculations, that they have no idea their wives are adulterous.
Gulliver explains that the King uses the "flying island" itself as a weapon to tyrannize the people of Balnibarbi on the surface below. Threatening to cut off sunshine and rain from any region on the lower island, "bomb" them with boulders, or lower the island and crush the towns below. In this way he forces them to provide food, drink, and whatever else the Laputans want or need. After studying the situation, Gulliver relates the story of the successful rebellion of the city of Lindalino. In the most extreme of confrontations, the island has been lowered on the cities below to crush them into submission. Gulliver learns that this has not been successful every time, notably with the city of Lindalino.

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[SnTMan]

It’s reflective of what the modern discussion is at the state level.

Well, that's discouraging. After the all the government types, NGO's and what have you have forced this kind of plan on the nation, after the collapse of reliable and affordable energy supplies, it'll be the engineers and technicians that get crucified. By the politicians.

Regards,

Mike



The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[IRstuff]

It's human nature to procrastinate and delay; it takes ambitious goals and deadlines to force people to make the actually achievable happen at all. In other cases, painful alternatives force the development of more palatable alternatives.

The IC industry of today was unimaginable in 1980, when lots of industry experts were predicting the demise of UV photolithography and the need to use e-beam or x-ray lithography to just break the sub-micron feature size barrier. 40 years later, we are still using UV photolithography, albeit a much distorted version, and knocking on the door of 0.005-micron feature sizes, which industry experts claimed was an impossibility for UV lithography 40 years ago.

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[rb1957]

pretty much every 20 years (10 years now ?) we're succeeded in doing what was impossible 10 or 20 years ago.

and we're doing things we couldn't dream of 10 20 years ago.

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

 

[JoshPlumSE]

RB1957 and IRstuff -

Let me see if I understand what you're saying:
1) The goal may be unrealistic (or downright impossible), but we need it if we are to make progress. We can revise that goal later as we get closer.

2) What we view as impossible now may very well be possible in the future.

My thoughts on this are the following:
a) Read those Forbes articles from previous threads on the Green New Deal. They are very interesting and contain tidbits about how solar energy production and battery storage cannot physically achieve a 10x increase in efficiency.

b) While I understand that we cannot predict what new technologies will do for us, I think it is irresponsible to pass laws that require things that are not possible. Set your sights a little lower.... Don't change the end goad, but create a better first, second or third step.

c) The biggest road block towards dramatically reducing our carbon emissions (as I see it) is getting a larger portion of the population to jump on board. And, that's probably not going to happen if your solution involves magic and unicorns.

 

[btrueblood]

I agree with what you wrote except the following, Josh:

"c) The biggest road block towards dramatically reducing our carbon emissions (as I see it) is getting a larger portion of the population to jump on board. And, that's probably not going to happen if your solution involves magic and unicorns. "

Never underestimate the stupidity of the majority. I was flabbergasted when our current governor was elected...but it shows you what purveying rainbows and unicorns will get you, and the number of people who will buy it. Granted, the leading opponent was a nutjob as well. Sigh.