Where is "simplify" 1

[Berserk]

Hello,

Using NX5, I am searching for the "simplify" command.
I am using advanced with full menu for role.

The command is in the help file but it does not say where it is located. Expanding the help file kinda shows that it is under the direct modeling group but it does not show up on my menu.

Please help me find it. It is better to use simplify than delete faces of unparametric models.

TIA

Roark

Productive Design Services

http://www.productivedesign.com

 

[JohnRBaker]

'Simplify' has been replaced with 'Delete Face' which can be found at...

Insert -> Direct Modeling -> Delete Face...

Note that starting in NX 5, 'Delete Face' has been enhanced to work in many more situations as well as adding a Delete 'Hole' option which works just the Simplify hole removal worked. The only real difference is that in 'Delete Face' you select the faces you wish to REMOVE rather then ones in which you wish to KEEP as required in 'Simplify', which is all honesty was not an easy concept for many people to understand. Besides, we already had a 'Delete Face' command and with a couple of changes we basically made 'Simplify' redundant.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
NX Design
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

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[Berserk]

Hello,

How come Simplify is still in the help files?
Also, with simplify, you have the option of selecting a region which helps make it easier.

I have used delete face while waiting for a response for this thread, but I have to select each individual face which is what I was trying to avoid.

Are there any other option of selecting a region when deleting faces?

Roark

Productive Design Services

http://www.productivedesign.com

 

[JohnRBaker]

It's still there, as an option under the Selection Rules (see attached image).

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
NX Design
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[jerry1423]

Don't forget ...

You can always use Help > Command Finder > "Simplify"

To find where the Simplify command is.

 

[JohnRBaker]

In NX 6 there is no longer any Help files or User Documentation for 'Simplify Body'.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
NX Design
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[Berserk]

Thanks John!
A star for you.

I am so used to looking at the dialogue box for the options.

Roark

Productive Design Services

http://www.productivedesign.com

 

[jerry1423]

You should get a star for looking at your dialog box. Sometimes I need to tell people to do that simple thing.

 

[claireandmabel]

John-Thanks for your answer, as i have been researching the Simplify Body command for a tip document that i am editing for NX5. I am a bit confused though-the GTAC documentation (shown below) indicates that Simplify Body is still available by setting a switch (NX5 and above).

Little confused by this- is or isn't it going to be there?


Subject: [PR-01622006] Simplify body removed from NX5.0.2 with no documentation/explanation

Description of Problem:
PR # 1622006
Priority: 1
FastTrack: Yes
OF Confirmation: Regression

Problem Description: Simplify no longer exists under Direct Modeling in NX5. Nothing is mentioned in the documentation. No mention in What's New. Command finder locates the function but reports Not Available.

Syslog excerpt:

None

Problem is part specific: No
Platform Information-
Problem is platform specific: Tested Intel only

Problem reported/verified on the following platforms and versions:
Unigraphics NX v4.0.4.2 MP2, v5.0.2.1
Intel WNT v5.1 SP2
***** <<<<< This PR has been closed. The resolution was: >>>>> *****
The problem where Simplify no longer exists under Direct Modeling in NX5 is fixed in NX6.

The decision has been made to restore Simplify Body to NX using an environment variable (Local Scale will be restored by making it avaialble to Customize). This information will be made available via a SFB (software field bulletin).

A request has also been made to include the following text to show "how to create a core from a cavity with Delete Face" in the SFB and in the Delete Face help:

"Note that you can work the way you want with the new Delete Face function using the same number of keystrokes, IF you use the Selection Intent rule 'Region Faces', as long as you remember that your 'seed' face is NOW from the set of faces to be removed, whereas in Simplify Body it was part of the set of faces to be retained. And like in Simplify Body you had to UNSELECT the region face before hitting OK, now you have to remember to add (select) the region face so that it's included in the set of faces to be deleted, again, this results in the same number of picks, just a different philosophy in terms of identifying which faces are going to be doing what. Other than that, the final results are exactly the same."

A version of this text will be added to Delete Face in the NX6 help.


PR Number : 1622006
Date Opened: 16-oct-2007
Status : DF
Priority : 1
Family : NX
Application: DESIGN
Category : MODELING
Release : V5.0
Platform : INTEL
OS : WINDOW
OS Version : 2000
Terminal : OTHER
Platform specific: Undetermined

 

[Xwheelguy]

What's happened is that in NX5 (I believe, but John can confirm) Siemens has revamped the original Delete Face command and decided to add the functions of Simplify Body into Delete Face. In order to keep some customers happy, rather than completely remove the OLD command, they've simply hidden it but have given users the ability to use an environment variable in order to make the OLD command available to those folks that would rather use it for the time being.

However, Siemens will more than likely urge users to begin using the NEW Delete Face command rather than relying on something that is outdated and more than likely to be removed at some point in time on down the road.

That's just a summary of what I've read about this situation over the past year, so John may have some additional details or corrections to this.

Tim Flater
Senior Designer
Enkei America, Inc.

http://www.enkei.com

Some people are like slinkies....they don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Generally if something requires an environment variable (which is not already included in the 'ugii_env.dat' file) to enable, particularly if it's a legacy function, it is officially considered as being obsolete. And while the code has not been removed from the product, it will not be enhanced and if broken in the future, we may choose to not fix it. Also, the documentation and help files will be removed from the User Documentation. For all intents and purposes, anyone who enables old functions are using them at their own risk. Also, from a purely practical and logical point of view, anyone who continues to use obsolete functions rather than the preferred ones, is not getting the maximum benefit from the product nor are they getting their money's worth from both the cost of the software or the maintenance fees which they are paying.

In other words, anyone who turns on OLD functions with the idea that they'll save time and money by not having to learn how to use the new stuff is just being foolish, period!

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
NX Design
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[claireandmabel]

thanks for the explanations