Who wants to be a manager 4

[brainstorming]

I have had an argument with one my colleagues regarding 2to be a manger"
We both process engineers and have good experience >4 years
but our views are different,
I myself want to be a manger in the future and he was opposing my view by saying that "do not think about the management since it will come to you when time comes" but I replied to him saying "I have to think about this so that I will be motivated to reach my goal"
By long speech, we could not reach to an agreement while our views are totally different.,
I
I think "to be a manger" everybody’s wish not me only.
Do you see same as I have seen or you have different opinion in this subject?

Regards

 

[brainstorming]

Thanks flamby for the comment
Would u please elaborate more by what you meant in working out in the language skills.?
I didn't understand this point, what do u mean exactly?

Regards

 

[svanels]

Waiting on the orders of the boss? Then you never will be a manager, a manager demands, he gets things by letting other people work.

If you have a couple of subordinates and they ask you in the morning what to do, and your answer is: ... I don't know, my boss did not tell me...

You have to stick out your neck to stand-out in the crowd

Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr

 

[EOIT]

To put more of an engineering perspective on things, managers hardly get to 'engineer' much once they get to the higher levels. Sure they can guide those below them, but with the paperwork, personnel issues, reports, etc to do, the Engineer side goes away and that life takes over. My boss is a great guy, even though he is a EE, but he never gets to do the engineering side and always ends up having to give it to someone else, like me, which is good since that is what I am here for.

There's my two (2) cents.

 

[GregLocock]

brainstorming - what flamby was hinting at is that this is a professional forum, and we'd expect communications to be of a professional standard. I am told that some posters here spell check their posts. I would make a sincere attempt at using standard punctuation, grammar and spelling, given the worldwide and industry specific nature of this forum. Your future boss is quite possibly reading this thread.

On the other hand if English is not your first language, my apologies.

Cheers

Greg Locock

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[buzzp]

Its pretty obvious to me that the posters native language is not english. Give him a break.

 

[25362]

To be a manager in these turbulent times doesn't just mean to supervise or control while executing company's policies, it also entails leadership. Why hasn't this subject received the due attention of posters ?

A leader isn't just a front-man or figurehead, nor a charismatic guru, but a trailblazer, a trendsetter, an initiator in any field of endeavour. Do you agree ?

 

[svanels]

I totally agree 25362

"You have to stick out your neck to stand-out in the crowd "

The focus shifted to the theoretical luggage needed to be a manager, but did we examine when a typical manager aquired this luggage? Most likely when he was already in a managerial position and recognised that his current skills were not enough. Powerpoint is something used for presentations, when you have to defend your proposal/project for the decision takers. The detail engineering is not important at that level. Terms like Return On Investments have more impact.

More important, any descent organization is constantly watching his workforce to decide who will be the "leaders of the packs" at any level. The weak and submissive definitely don't stand a chance, just like in the animal world.

In the selection process of a manager, there are 3 verbs

Can (We all think we are capable)
Will (do you have the guts to do it?, you have to prove it)
May or Permitted to this is the decisive verb, this has to do with acceptance


Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr

 

[IRstuff]

Being a manager entails communications, so language and communications skills are essential to the well-being of the manager and his organization.

Particularly important is your ability to make presentations and persuade your audiences to your point of view. In such cases, the presentation skills must work in concert with language skills to select the "right" wording for the occasion and to persuasively discuss your topic.

TTFN

 

[HVAC68]

Not to offend anyone - language need not necessarily be English.

There can be many Managers, there can be many bosses, but there are only a few LEADERS. One of the posters I have see read - The Leader leads, the Boss/Manager screws !!!



HVAC68

 

[GregLocock]

I've got admit this 'manager is the leader' motto gets my goat. /I/ am the leader. My manager's primary function is to make sure that the teams I am on get the support they need from the rest of the company. He is the company-interface-droid.





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[svanels]

company-interface-droid

Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr

 

[HgTX]

"I shouldn't ask projects from my boss to build my skills in leadership he should give me himself."

Crap, crap, and more crap. I gotta agree with svanels. Leadership means taking initiative. Leadership does not mean being passive, and only exercising as much "leadership" as is forced on you by someone else.

If you have a really fantastic manager who is really great at developing your potential and makes that one of their goals (I've had exactly one boss like that), they'll keep ahead of you on that and will do as you say above, give you increasing responsibilities not only over tasks but over other humans. But the only leadership there is on your boss's part, not yours. What you are doing is simply following orders of increasing complexity--NOT leadership.

Leadership is not just how well you manage the people under you, but how well you take control of your own professional life. It's possible to "show leadership potential" (gawd I hate that phrase but it seems appropriate here) without being in any kind of supervisory position at all. Conversely, it's possible to get all the stuff done on time without having all the staff quit and still have bupkes for leadership ability. When it comes time to select new managers, it's those with the good leadership ability that will be at the top of the heap.

Hg

 

[mkinnes]

Most people haven't a clue how to "lead" when put in a position to do so.

Dealing with people is the most difficult and misunderstood skill in industry today.

 

[mkinnes]

I like the company interface droid comparison:

"manager's primary function is to make sure that the teams I am on get the support they need"

All too many managers fail to support their team and instead expect their team to support them.

 

[brainstorming]

U r a manger if you have a measure of control over any of the following:
Time, Workloads, Decisions, Technology, Equipment, Money, Standards, Meetings, Other people ..etc
Also, mangers make predications, plan ahead, decided how things will change & develop, review the past when planning and forecasting the future
mangers do: control, taking responsibility, setting objectives and/or goals, organization, delegation, accepting authority, decision making, support and communication, training, monitoring/ evaluating, leadership, motivation and planning ..etc


Being proactive doesn't mean that you should ask your boss for responsibilities, but you take the initiative in doing things u think of importance to u and your company.

Management has many things, and "To be a Manger" u should be familiar with these things.
Thank you

Regards

 

[HgTX]

Fair enough.

Hg

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[mkinnes]

"mangers make predications, plan ahead, decided how things will change & develop, review the past when planning and forecasting the future
mangers do: control, taking responsibility, setting objectives and/or goals, organization, delegation, accepting authority, decision making, support and communication, training, monitoring/ evaluating, leadership, motivation and planning "

Very well said.

 

[25362]

Let's not forget Petter's principle: All members of a hierarchy rise to their own level of incompetence.

 

[jsummerfield]

Does the Peter Principle assume that people plateau at the level of incompetence? Not necessarily so. I have the book on a shelf somewhere. However, some of us find our level of incompetence in management; then we get out of management and go back to performing the engineering work that we enjoy.
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John

 

[25362]

It was the same Laurence J. Peter to whom the following sentence is attributed:

If you don't know where you are going, you will probably end somewhere else.