Bird control 1

• Feb 10, 2003

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DaveVikingPE

Structural

Aug 9, 2001

1,008

What species of bird?

Many birds, like pigeons, don't like hawks and owls. I think sea gulls don't like them either. You could put fake owls all over the place, seems to work.

Here's a company right up your alley:

http://www.nixalite.com/wcp.htm.

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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jheidt2543

Civil/Environmental

Sep 23, 2001

1,469

The fake owls may work on pigeons, honest I've see a sea gull siting on a owl decoy! In northern Wisconsin many of the lake residents try the fake owl trick to keep the sea gulls of their swimming rafts, after a few days the sea gulls get use to them. Remington has a solution, but in this day and age, PETA would have a fit!

I have seen some national advertising for bird control products for buildings, but not for ponds. For a number of years the Wisconsin DNR used propane canons to create noise to disperse large goose flocks from some of the marsh areas.
But, these were not in urban areas where the firing of the canons would be a problem.

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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flamby

Structural

Feb 12, 2002

591

Human shaped scare-crows are more successful, with all kind of birds. Perhaps we are most dislikes species amoungst the birds...;-)

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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lahpe65

Structural

Jan 3, 2003

46

All of those techniques have been installed. However, according to a governmental agency they are not adequate. The problem began when geese landed in one of the ponds and they did not survive. The system has to prevent ALL migratory birds from entering.

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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Rjeffery

Civil/Environmental

Sep 15, 2002

332

Ronald Reagan National Airport uses random fireing air canons to keep the geese from the air field. perhaps you should contact the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) to find out how effective they are.

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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lahpe65

Structural

Jan 3, 2003

46

My client has already installed the cannons,the owls, the spikes and the scarey eyes. Apparently they are not adequate for the government agency involved. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service recommends this netting system as the most effective. I have contacted some netting suppliers but so far have not gotten too much response. Those that have responded can't seem to help me on the technical aspects.

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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cvg

Civil/Environmental

Dec 16, 1999

6,868

try Rap music at 100 decibels - works to keep the woodpeckers out of our attic!

 

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• Feb 11, 2003

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CarlB

Civil/Environmental

Jul 11, 2001

1,178

Netting such as this has been used at many military facilities. A good source of information and products is at

http://www.birdbarrier.com

 

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• Feb 12, 2003

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lahpe65

Structural

Jan 3, 2003

46

Thanks for all of the great suggestions. I tried all of the various vendor websites and I have found

http://www.westcoastnetting.com

to be extremely helpful. So, if any of you run into a similar problem you'll know where to look.

 

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• Feb 12, 2003

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bluesman

Materials

Dec 4, 2002

18

This might sound funny but if the problem is severe and the netting doesn't help. If the pudget allows, why don't you consider laser dispersal? It’s effective, safe, humane and environment-friendly. Take a look at the following sites:

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=lazer&sp-a=sp100206e0&sp-f=iso-8859-1

http://www.reedjoseph.com/

http://www.wastewarehouse.com/biz_indiv/reed_joseph.htm

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/pubs/tnlasers.html

Drop By !!

http://www.geocities.com/concretesite

 

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• Feb 13, 2003

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dicksewerrat

Civil/Environmental

May 16, 2002

1,946

I have seen dogs used in Wash.D.C. at the Dulles Airport.

 

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• Feb 14, 2003

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ivanlocke

Civil/Environmental

Jan 23, 2003

60

This may not be an option for you, but floating covers can work well and does not require any kind of structure other than a few anchors.

 

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• Feb 17, 2003

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RDK

Civil/Environmental

Jul 19, 2001

1,109

I have also heard of using floating balls. The balls will have to be too heavy to blow away but light enough to float. The birds cannot land on them and move on. This was investigated on one airport job but was not cost effective. Flight safety had some FOD concerns as well. Rick Kitson MBA P.Eng

Construction Project Management
From conception to completion

http://www.kitsonengineering.com

 

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• Feb 24, 2003

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trafficPro

Civil/Environmental

Aug 13, 2002

35

The Port Authority of NY & NJ uses a trained falconer at JFK, not to kill or hurt the birds, but just to scare them off. The airport is in or adjacent to a wildlife ptreserve.
TrafficPro

 

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• Feb 25, 2003

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HB2U

Civil/Environmental

Feb 21, 2003

33

Seems to me that the netting will result in quite a few stuck and in need of rescue, maimed, or dead birds hanging suspended in the netting for all to see. A couple (or even just one) border collie may be a cheaper alternative. Many places are using these or other dog breeds with similar characteristics to control birds.

If I had to guess, I would bet that the cost of the dog approach would look something like this:

Initial setup and deployment = $1,000.00

Annual Costs = $700.00

How much is the net system going to cost?

 

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• Feb 25, 2003

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lahpe65

Structural

Jan 3, 2003

46

I understand the dog approach is more affordable. Unfortunately it is not practical in this application. Also, the government agency that is involved is basically insisting that a net system be installed. They say it is used elsewhere and is the most effective.

 

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• Feb 25, 2003

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HB2U

Civil/Environmental

Feb 21, 2003

33

Gotta love the government. They hire you as a consultant based upon your experience and then THEY TELL YOU HOW to do the job!

 

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• Feb 25, 2003

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dicksewerrat

Civil/Environmental

May 16, 2002

1,946

That's so you can bill them for extra work. the job of proving their method will work better than the real right way.

 

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• Feb 26, 2003

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lahpe65

Structural

Jan 3, 2003

46

Actually, the government agency didn't hire me. My client has been directed (ordered) by the government to install this and therefore hired me.

 

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