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RISA Connection/Ram Connection Shear tab/Double angle question.

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Jul 1, 2019
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I think both software’s have the option of including or ignoring eccentricities. But I am using Risa connection.

So I have connections with shear and axial(+/-) forces at 3 column moment frames. The shear is from the 2nd floor loads and majority of the Axial is from the wind.

Each HSS column has a connection at both sides. I do not want to use a through plate.

I have a double angle that is bolted to a beam and welded to an HSS wall. When we ignore eccentricities it works perfectly, but when we include eccentricities it fails dramatically. I just cannot get them to work. The welds are the failure mode. I cannot bolt to the HSS wall due to cost reasons. When I switch to a shear tab with both a shear and axial load(some high) including eccentricities. It works fine. But in the back of my mind I am thinking, this tiny 3/8 or ½ thick by 3.5” and either 6”,9”,12” or 20” or whatever long. How is it resisting all that force Without the plate buckling?

All my beams/girders are braced at the top with the floor which acts as a diaphragms.

Does this make sense to you guys?

Do you guys include eccentricities?

Cause now I have a situation with HSS columns with shear tabs on both sides that have axial loads. Risa connection only checks per connection for HSS members. Does not include the forces at the other side.
 
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If you have meaningful axial force I wouldn’t use double angles, shear tabs should be a better bet there. As far as your concern of plate buckling, that should certainly be checked as part of the ST design and RISA connection includes that check.

Are you sure that “include eccentricity” affects the weld to the support? I was under the impression that applied to the bolts on the outstanding leg. I always design the welds to the support for the connection eccentricity.

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“Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands.”
 
Yeah it does affect the support in a dramatic way to the point it fails by Unity of like +7.0.

The situation I got is shown in the pic below. you have axil forces on both sides of the beams, in addition to the forces at the knee brace. BTW, another thing I am worried about is the fact we have forces on both sides of the connection, and from my understanding, risa only checks per one side. so each connection it runs, it doesn't consider the forces from the opposite side. I don't know if that's something that should be ignored?

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I just double checked. The full shear eccentricity of the column weld is checked regardless of the setting. The outstanding leg bolts are the only component affected by the tick box. What’s the specific failure mode you are seeing? Post the results if you claim it is column weld strength.

The only additional issue I know to look for in two sided connections is transfer forces in corner gusset connections. We model our members meeting at perfect center nodes, but all those forces must transfer through gusset/column to get to the next brace, don’t think that applies here.

“Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands.”
 
Here is an example of what's happening on my end.

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Your problem is with the tensile force bending the welds. This is based on the elastic method of welds - see Blodgett Design of Welded Structures for reference.

Double angles are really meant to be shear connections, NOT axial connections. With that much axial force I would suggest a different connection type.

“Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands.”
 
Thanks for the info!

MegaStructures said:
The only additional issue I know to look for in two sided connections is transfer forces in corner gusset connections

Out of curiosity, where would I find information for this case? does Blodgett discuss it in his book? any other recommended sources? I do have access to the book, but haven't fully familiarized myself with it. I really need to.

Thanks!
 
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