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  1. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    running a <3 hp pump doesn't add up very fast especially when we'd only have to run it every other day or less. Gbam, are you saying the setup would work? I understand that there are alternative solutions, but i was told low cost, and easy installation/maintenance. I have come to the...
  2. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    a lot simpler to excavate? that's like 30k of work and engineering, my ponds are already setup as described. How is the riser closed off to pond B EXCEPT by pump inlet, not going to work? You say Ponds B&C will equalize if i leave the valve open, so if Pond C is connected to that riser drawn...
  3. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    If I put the riser on the Pond C side of the culvert, i would need to pressurize the entire line from B to C, which is a 12 inch culvert? I don't understand why my solution is that bad? I would only need a 2 inch line to the bottom of the riser, when I turn the pump on some would flow into c...
  4. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    So when I turn on the pump and open the valve, wouldn't it flow into C because it would have to be a higher level to overflow the riser?
  5. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    why not CVG? I understand I'd have to open the butterfly valve for it to flow into C... but wouldn't raising the water column on the Pond B side of that culvert make it flow into pond C?
  6. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    well The management wants the pond so the plant site "looks nice" SO basically it's purely aesthetics. I am going to pose the question if it's worth any money to keep Pond C with sufficient level in it. or if we should just leave them all empty all the time. Because that is the easiest answer.
  7. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    Ok I have come to think that I'm incapable of describing the situation and problem we are having. 1) the creek drainage works as intended 2) The problem is keeping the level in pond C up while keeping Ponds A&B down. I have attached another wonderful sketch to illustrate my proposed solution...
  8. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    the pipes may be slightly plugged but that isn't the problem, and the creek is just under 2 miles away. The depth of all 3 ponds as of right now is pretty low because they desire ponds A and B to remain pretty dry, as in, they want them dry the day after a big rain. I get that currently they...
  9. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    Well I have all the documents at my disposal, but i haven't been able to glean what original intent was, although I assume they are more retention ponds in case of a spill, than detention ponds. I think maximum allowable discharge is around 15 cfs, or that's the number i keep seeing. It's a...
  10. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    Well the elevation drawings are not readily available, so i'll make close estimations. Creek is Elev 0 Pond C is Elev +8 ft Pond B is Elev +8.5 ft Pond A is Elev +9 ft They desire pond A and B to remain empty most of the time, apparently they hate cattails and want to avoid them growing...
  11. jesspo

    3 Retention ponds in series

    Ok, this might be a retarded question because well, I like dealing with refineries, not ponds. In the sketch I've provided there shows a series of 3 ponds. Ponds A and B are slightly above pond C. They all currently drain by gravity, there are butterfly valves between B and C and on the...
  12. jesspo

    fuel ethanol plant

    Actually Kiwi, ALL of the mash gets sent to fermentation usually, then the ethanol is distilled out of a ~30% solids slurry and the bottoms get sent to the dryer. but you are correct he'd be missing a HUGE amount of machinery, and not that his feed composition would have to change, he could mix...
  13. jesspo

    fuel ethanol plant

    Stone cold, You're having a slight case of dyslexia, It is ICM inc. that built ~80% of american dry mill corn to ethanol plants. Most of those are at LEAST 40,000,000 gallons per year. If you're thinking of just making <1,000,000 gallons per year then it could be feasible... depending.
  14. jesspo

    fuel ethanol plant

    depends on what kind of equipment is available, but in general you'd need a LOT of capital because although you probably have the grain handling available... a lot of other things you'll need aren't there so you'd probably be better off just starting from scratch. more details are needed though
  15. jesspo

    unloading system

    Well in layout A, you have a Flow element on a recyle loop so you cannot tell how much your actually taking out of the tank. there is also no way to feed material into the tank, so i doubt it's viable at all. In layout B The flow element is in the right spot, so the storage system is at least...
  16. jesspo

    Increasing Vacuum on EtOH &amp; H2O column

    Thanks in advance. I read this post but have a much simpler process than described. http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=237048&page=13 My question is, if I have extra vacuum pumping capacity already installed. Can I reduce the amount of steam in the stripping section by drawing more...
  17. jesspo

    Ethanol and Water Mixing

    Ethanol is 100% mixable with water so just put them in the same tank? or maybe in your stomach just make sure it's not denatured!
  18. jesspo

    online analysis of vapor stream

    bah that makes it sound bad, the stream is combined with the Air feed to a combustion chamber, the major constituent is air, there are small amounts of ethanol and water among other things. A sample analysis will show me more, but i didn't think a RTD based anemometer would get hot enough to...
  19. jesspo

    online analysis of vapor stream

    Thank you in advance for any help you may offer. I am attempting to quantify a particular component in a vapor stream. Very little is known about stream, basically all that is known is the temperature(180F)and that it does have flow. I would like to get a representative sample for GC...

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