About rising sea levels 16

[hokie66]

A shipbuilder give a reason for the few millimetres of rise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNhTVicEe4

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Regarding the offensiveness of the term "mendicant". The usage of that term that I was familiar with (though it took me a long time to realize it) is within the term "Mendicant Order of..." and refers to friars or monks that have a vow of poverty.

It's not really a negative term in that context just referencing these religious folks who essentially have no worldly possessions. I realize now that the term means, essentially, that they live off the generosity of others. And, therefore, is compatible with the more general definition of "beggar" that others have pointed out.

 

[GregLocock]

I used mendicant because they are begging for money because they claim they are drowning whilst not acknowledging that their land area is increasing, and that they are simultaneously building concrete runways (generating CO2) so that more tourists can fly in (generating CO2).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nds-as-islands-risk-going-under-idUSKBN1ZG0XS

https://www.airport-technology.com/projects/velena-international-airport-expansion/

"natural processes on coral reef atolls (like those in the Maldives) might make the islands more resistant to sea level rise than their low elevations might initially suggest. Multiple studies, many of which use Landsat observations, show that most coral atoll islands in the Maldives and elsewhere have remained stable or even grown larger in recent decades."

I must apologise though, the Maldives aren't in Polynesia. They just happen to be the noisiest hypocrites.




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[hokie66]

Ever been to Male, the capital of the Maldives? That entire main island is congested, with seemingly more motorcyles than people. But the most striking thing is the harbor pollution. Even more floating plastic bottles than there are motorcycles on the island. The only photos you see in travel mags are of the touristy islands, not Male.

 

[IRstuff]

Coral growth rate is ludicrously slow; no one should seriously contemplate using it for land area increase.



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[TugboatEng]

Sea level rise is ludicrously low... Coral grows 1-20 cm per year which is much higher than the rate of sea level rise at 0.3 cm/year.

 

[JoshPlumSE]

Sea level rise is ludicrously low... Coral grows 1-20 cm per year which is much higher than the rate of sea level rise at 0.3 cm/year.

Can coral really grow that fast? I didn't think it was anywhere near that fast. Though, it seems I'm wrong. though yours sounds like it might be a little too high.

With growth rates of 0.3 to 2 centimeters per year for massive corals, and up to 10 centimeters per year for branching corals, it can take up to 10,000 years for a coral reef to form from a group of larvae. Depending on their size, barrier reefs and atolls can take from 100,000 to 30,000,000 years to fully form.

 

Coral doesn't grow at all in hotter water, in fact it dies.

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[JoshPlumSE]

Coral doesn't grow at all in hotter water, in fact it dies.

Not sure what's meant by this statement. I've certainly read some information about how differences in ph levels are killing off coral. And, the differences in ph levels were blamed on global warming, though I'm not sure how.

But, if the difference is purely 1 degree Celsius or so, it isn't clear to me that would be a major problem. My only rationale is that I believer there is a larger amount of coral reef in the tropics when compared to the artic.

 

[GregLocock]

More accurately, when the sea temperature rises the cold water coral organisms die, and the hot water corals move in. The El Nino/La Nina cycle does this to the Great barrier reef, a big pulse of hot or cold water (depending on which way we're going) washes down the east coast wiping out some of the current coral, and then it it gets repopulated by the other lot. Rinse and repeat.

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So it's all good! Nothing to see here.

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[hokie66]

You might at least try to tell us what that photo shows.

 

[GregLocock]

Whataboutism at its best. Yes, plastic waste in the sea looks disgusting and will take a long time to sort out and is turning up throughout the food chain.

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Took about 10 seconds for someone to spot my vile, pathetic attempt at misdirection.
Whatabout the contortions some posters here are going through here to prove that a heating climate and rising sea levels* are actually good for Pacific islands, and that folks there should quit begging and whinging?

Based on some of the preceding analysis I propose we redefine climate change as a 'self-mitigating phenomenon', close our eyes and absolve the West from any responsibility. After all, since those folks have a wrong (i.e., unamerican) belief system, we would be morally wrong to express any concern for them. Let them sink or swim, you might even say.

* Unless there is something about 'heating climate and rising sea levels' I misunderstand. (Not being perfect, I can never rule out the possibility.)

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[TugboatEng]

We don't know that a heating climate is bad. Life on this planet started and evolved under much hotter conditions than we are experiencing today. A hotter climate might bring more opportunities for life. Anybody saying global warming is a bad thing is just speculating.

 

[hokie66]

IM,
You do make a point with that photo. Flotsam and jetsam, as well as all the other trash and debris in the oceans, must raise the levels a bit. There are a lot of contributing factors.

 

We don't know that a heating climate is bad. Life on this planet started and evolved under much hotter conditions than we are experiencing today. A hotter climate might bring more opportunities for life. Anybody saying global warming is a bad thing is just speculating.

I will choose to read this as trolling or possibly sarcasm.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

 

[JoshPlumSE]

We don't know that a heating climate is bad. Life on this planet started and evolved under much hotter conditions than we are experiencing today. A hotter climate might bring more opportunities for life. Anybody saying global warming is a bad thing is just speculating.

I think there is something to be said that moderate warming over a longer period of time could be beneficial to the human race. Wider regions where farming could be more productive and such. Certainly the end of the last ice age ended up being very beneficial for our species. Right? Though I would say the rapid changes that we're experiencing now are very likely have some very negative effects.

To me, the crux of the issue isn't whether the earth is warming or not, or even if CO2 is a major cause of that warming. Rather, the real crux is how can we slow it down so it doesn't happen so quickly. Maybe even reduce the total amount of warming overall. Then also, how catastrophic will the effects of this warming be. I'd say that the more rapidly this occurs, the worse the more dangerous the effects will be.

 

[TugboatEng]

IM, I was being sarcastic. However, we really don't know if climate change is good or bad. The only thing we know is that what we have works so there is some hesitance to try something new. You know, well that's the way we've always done it.

 

[GregLocock]

Those naughty devils at the IPCC used to admit that /moderate/ warming would be beneficial. I suspect they have stopped that because the science has changed optics are bad.

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[bones206]

A shipbuilder give a reason for the few millimetres of rise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNhTVicEe4

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If you look at this thing objectively, one can see that this is an enterprise set up with a very simple business model: Ask for donations/subscriptions from our audience, then feed the audience exactly what they want to hear to reinforce their previously held viewpoints and opinions. It's a for-profit echochamber. How many times do they ask for money? It's really pathetically and shamelessly mendicant.

Every word that old fool uttered in that video is pure bullshit. It's all propaganda designed to whip up other old fools' emotions enough that they will open up their wallets to this David Pellowe guy. Add in some Christianity references to help lower down guards and gain trust; add some racist/nationalist dogwhistles to create the illusion of being *under seige* by *others*, and you've got yourself a viable business model. IT'S. A. SCAM. It's hate for profit.

By the way, here is a photo (

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of the Youtube video's author posing with members of the Proud Boys in 2019, while flashing the white power hand gesture:

So Hokie66, I need to ask exactly what was your true motivation in promoting this video? If you say it was an innocent video to discuss the merits of climate change science, well I don't really believe you.