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Boeing again 47

yep, Its looking like 2027 or later for the max 7 and 10 to get certified now. And the 8 and 9 will have to be modified.

The max was first certified in 2017.

Its going to be over 20 years before its going to be deemed a mature airframe if it gets certified in 2027.

And they still don't seem to have a plan to replace it.

Which is worrying I might add for the whole of the industry, even though personally I have zero interest in flying them.

 
I have worked at Boeing, and other companies.
It's not only Boeing with the production issues. The past 15 years I have seen companies do cost cutting to make more profit. It has been more difficult to find employees that know machining, soldering, turning a screwdriver, etc. So, the upper mngmt outsource. The companies that accept the outsourced work, same issues.
More employees are not staying with companies long enough to learn their products, or properly train new hires.
Quality falls into cracks of bureaucracy. Companies will sell, but, shift work, downsize, whatever it takes to make a profit.
I saw this a lot when I was working for McDonnell-Douglas when Boeing bought them. The 3 other companies thereafter.
We are going through the same at my current company.
So, I don't 100% blame Boeing, their suppliers are also to blame. But, Boeing needs to step up and take control of their suppliers.

Chris, CSWP
SolidWorks
ctophers home
 
They need to stop all bonuses until a clean sheet short haul aircraft is ready.

or make the bonuses for Engineering design and quality KPI's instead of profit.
 
A technology company that cannot manage to hang on to their technical staff is doomed.
Train them and lose them is death by 1000 cuts.

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
 
So airlines are starting to allow customers to opt out of flying 737-9 aircraft.
Again the airlines and the FAA may be better advised to take a step back and look at the whole picture.
A quality control issue, but the 737-9 will be rigorously inspected before they are allowed back in the air.
They 737-9s will probably not lose any more door plugs.
BUT
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER MODELS BUILT BY THE SAME PLANTS?
Until there is a complete audit of the entire manufacturing process for all models, if it's Boing, I'm not going.


--------------------
Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!
 
Thing is as long as the bonus cycle is complete the Managers really don't care if its 1000 cuts. They can just take the money and run.
 
waross said:
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER MODELS BUILT BY THE SAME PLANTS?
Until there is a complete audit of the entire manufacturing process for all models, if it's Boing, I'm not going.
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Spirit AeroSystems, who were the people who initially just forgot or couldn't be bothered to fit the locking bolts, also make stuff for Airbus and Bombardier.
 
I agree. I think all models should be inspected, at Boeing and Spirit, and other companies building parts/structures.

Chris, CSWP
SolidWorks
ctophers home
 
I thought they had determined that the door was removed in the Boeing production plant for spirit to sort some snags out.

If that's the case it's then in the Boeing system putting it back in.

 
Yeah, Boeing's quality assurance systems are at least partly to blame, but Spirit are very much on the hook for it as well. Spirit have staff in the Boeing plant to fix their snags, but it's unclear which of them failed to fit the bolts on the incident aircraft. Spirit were doing work on it in the Boeing plant, and Boeing's tracking system seems to have been deficient in whether opening the plug counted as a "removal" (which would require inspection). It also sounds like there are problems with missing and loose bolts coming out of the Spirit plant, in addition to earlier problems with bolts on the tail structure and poor hole drilling in the aft pressure bulkhead (which seems to be very much on the Spirit end of the problems).
 
Thing is as long as the bonus cycle is complete the Managers really don't care if its 1000 cuts. They can just take the money and run.
Click to expand...

I'm convinced that all a CEO of a publicly traded company does is prop up the public appearance and stock while dumpstering the company in the background. The hard part of their job is making sure the dumpstering doesn't affect the public appearance until after they get their big bonus and have moved on.
 
From what I know once the part has been handed over to the OEM then they have to deal with the QA of doors in and out. The part will be removed given a red tag by Boeing , then fixed then green tagged by spirit , reinstalled and the green tag put in the document pack by Boeing.

Airframe and Skinners can't sign for door replacements. I used to have to sign off the emergency exits being reinstalled after removal on the Jetstream as a Captain if they were removed by one of the fitters to change the desiccant tubes in the windows. It was a either me or a licensed B1 needed to sign them as installed correctly.

The door plugs are made in Malaysia by Spirt.
 
This does not bode well:

Boeing in ‘last chance saloon’, warns Emirates boss


I just hope that it doesn't impact their ability to meet their pension obligations. Despite never having worked for Boeing, since the acquisition/merger, they've been responsible for paying my McDonnell Douglas pension.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
 
Alternate headline "Emirates boss warns looking for discounts."

The pension should be funded separately from the company. If you take up high-risk sports it will be less of a concern.
 
or hey know something about the 777 and 787 that's not public yet.
 
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