Bring Back the REAL Transform 11

[jstong]

look, it was funny when you tried to hide all of the transform functions in 7.5 so that we all had to use the move upgrade....but then we found that all you had to do is hit the transform button, click what you wanted to move then hit your center mouse button 3 times and it all came back....GREAT TRICK!

but taking it completely out in 8.5? are you trying to stop proficiency and make all of us dislike your system?

transform is very useful for those of us who need to manipulate solid model

 

[jerry1423]

I agree.
The Move command is very awkward to use sometimes.

 

[braddles90]

Transform is still there isn't it? I can't remember what the command is, but to move a solid body I always hit Ctrl-T.

 

[jerry1423]

oh yea, it is in NX7.5
go to your command finder and enter "transform"

Help -> Command Finder

 

[phillpd]

Well, there's obviously still a "hole" in NX9 functionality as this variable is still available ...

UGII_ENABLE_TRANSFORM_LEGACY_OPTIONS=1

NX 9.0.2.5 (Desperate for 9.0.3)
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[jstong]

someone tell if this works in nx 9.0. (IT DOES WORK IN 7.5 BUT NOT IN 8.5)

1. click the TRANSFORM command.
2. pick SOLID BODY
3. select OK
3. click down on your center mouse button 3 times (just like in the wizard of oz with the ruby shoes)
4. on the line where it says TRANFORMATION TYPE - SCALE
4. you should get your old transform commands back up.

they hid that one good.

 

[phillpd]

jstong ... Create the environment variable I refer to and the "full" legacy transform dialog will be made available.

NX 9.0.2.5 (Desperate for 9.0.3)
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[jstong]

phillpd......how do you create the environment variable. I don't know that terminology.

 

[Toost]

Windows-start ( bottom left on the screen)
In the white field "Search programs and files" Type "sys", the dialog should then display the option "edit the system environment variables"
In this dialog, middle tab "Advanced" - Environment Variables...
go bottom left "New..."
Variable name: UGII_ENABLE_TRANSFORM_LEGACY_OPTIONS
Veriable value: 1

OK out of dialog
The variable will be in action in your next NX session.


Regards,
Tomas

 

[UGperson]

Have you tried Insert-> Associative Copy -> Instance Geometry In NX 8 and 8.5?

 

[JohnRBaker]

Why are you asking? But since you have this might be relevant; starting with NX 9.0, 'Instance Geometry' has been replaced with 'Pattern Geometry' using the same basic 'Patterning' service first introduced with NX 7.5 Sketcher 'Pattern Curve' and NX 8.0 'Pattern Feature'.

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[ChuckRi]

You cannot mirror geometry in move also which is a pain.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Of COURSE you CANNOT mirror geometry using the 'Move Object' function since Mirroring is NOT a 'move operation'. That's what the 'Mirror Geometry' function is for. After all, we've had a 'Move Component' function for years when working with Assemblies and I can't ever recall a single complaint that the list of 'Move' options didn't include the ability to 'Mirror' a Component. Perhaps it was because we've also supported, for almost as long, a separate 'Mirror Assembly' function.

The changes that were made to the old Transform function and how the various options were migrated out to other places in the UI was done to make the software more logical and easier to learn and use. After all, if you were a new user of NX, what would possess you to go to a 'Move' function to perform a 'Mirror' operation? There is no logical relationship between 'moving' something and creating the mirror-image of something. The only relationship that exists in YOUR mind is what was put there by your years of using UG/NX. Unfortunately, new users looking at NX for the first time has no hint that you should expect to find a 'Mirror' operation under a button labeled 'Move'.

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[bongoman]

I thought the button was originally called TRANSFORM not MOVE which could imply either move or mirror or scale.

Win7 64 bit w/NX7.5 and NX9.0.2.5
Vericut 7.3

 

[JohnRBaker]

Yes, when it was only 'Transform' then that term was inclusive enough to cover a myriad of types of operations, but once we decided to create more explicitly named sets of functions, such as 'Move', then we also had to create separate 'Scale' and 'Mirror' functions as well, but in the long run this will help people find the appropriate command easier since they will be more discoverable and since they are now more 'single-minded', the dialog workflows can be optimized for the specific TYPE of operation being performed. People complain about too many keystrokes yet did anyone notice that by moving items off the 'Transform' main dialog that we saved you an extra layer of dialogs to navigate thru?

And please note that 'Transform' has not actually gone away but instead has simply been 'pruned down' to only those few functions which have not yet been 100% replaced by something more modern.

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[capnhook]

4 point fit still available, or was that "pruned" too?

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[ChuckRi]

Yes you are right John a mirror function probably doesn't belong under "move" but mirror component Or mirror assembly does not work for mirroring a single or group of individual surfaces when building sheet body's. That transform/mirror command has been a useful tool for me for the past 20+ years working on UG/NX. Guess I'm just "old school" and didn't mean to upset you.

 

[RobLN]

I never used the transform command as I started out using the move command system in NX 5 - honestly say that the move command has to be one of the simplest in the software so can't really comprehend what the issue is. You do right click move and then click on the arrow in the direction you want to go and either key in a distance or drag on the arrowhead or the round blob thing in the middle of the part and you're done. I must be missing the holy grail of the old Transform command...

Scaling a part is possible as well but in the 3D world not usually practical or desirable really as rarely would you have a component that scales in all three directions equally in a product range...

Solid Edge; I-Deas 7 to 12; NX4, NX5 NX6 & currently NX7.5 / TeamCenter 9.1 & Ansys 14.5 on 6GB Windows 7.

 

[ewh]

I have no problem with the move command as it exists, but have to disagree with scaling not being practical or desirable... use it often when modeling composite related molds to great effect.
I have also not had a problem mirroring individual or group of surfaces. The commands are still there, just have migrated around a bit.
As long as such commands are still available (and can be easily located), I'm a happy camper.

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[Rob_N]

Scaling is still useful for pattern making or vac-form tooling. In most cases we do it in the cutterpath but we do have some customers that require an "expanded" model file.