Centrelines & Broken Views 2

[phillpd]

Anyone had any success with centrelines and broken views in NX9 ?

I create a centreline on a cylindrical component and then break the view ... the centreline and any annotations connected to it are removed (as in hidden). I update the view, they reappear temporarily, and then disappear again.

I tried breaking the view first and then adding the centreline. It works okay, until that is the model needs to be updated. Then, the centreline disappears.

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[JohnRBaker]

There's actually a message that appears, when you create a Broken View where the original view included a centerline, which states that the centerline will be hidden. I suspect that the first time you saw this message, that out of habit, you selected the 'Don't display this message again' option and consequently you've forgotten about it. This is obviously a known issue and one that we would like to address in a future version of NX, just not at this time.

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[phillpd]

John,

I'm still seeing the message, I'm just curious as to why a centreline is now (as in NX9) a problem with a broken view.

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[JohnRBaker]

This has nothing to with NX 9.0 as this has been a "problem" since NX 8.0, when the new Broken View functionality was first implemented.

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[phillpd]

It's been broken for 3 releases ?

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[cowski]

There's more than one reason it's called a 'broken view'...

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[JohnRBaker]

It's NOT broken!

It's simply an issue that has been judged to be something which could be addressed at some later, but as yet unspecified, date. That is why we created the warning message so that users would be aware of what was happening, or in this case, NOT happening, and that it was a known issue. If you would like to contact GTAC and have them open an IR/PR covering this issue, please do so since without any outside comments, the priority for addressing this will not change any time soon.

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[phillpd]

It worked perfectly in NX6.

I have called it in, I was told it would be added to an ER.

I told GTAC that it's a regression and I am currently waiting to hear from Development.

I have to say, the changes to View behaviour in NX9 is so far a complete disaster. I'm logging IR after IR.

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[JohnRBaker]

You keep wanting to make this an NX 9.0 issue. It's not. The changes were made in NX 8.0.

As for your claim that it worked in NX 6.0, you can't be serious. The pre-NX 8.0 broken view functionality was pretty crude and almost impossible to use without someone showing you first exactly how to do it, step by step. And the results were totally different. The pre-NX 8.0 Broken View resulted in two or more separate views that you had to align manually and if you wanted to move them you had to remember that they were just that, separate and independent views. Also, once created, you could not create a Section View of a Broken View, something that you can do today. So yes, there is an issue with the Centerline not being automatically updated correctly, but I suspect that NO ONE would ever suggest that this alone is reason enough to want to somehow go back to the pre-NX 8.0 behavior.

BTW, I hope you DO get your ER converted to a 'regression' as that, more than anything, will help raise the priority for getting this issue resolved.

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[phillpd]

It's a painful command in NX6 (and prior to that) I'll admit, but it worked and you become used to using it.

Speaking with GTAC, they're informing me that View Break isn't a replacement for Broken View. Notice that the wording is different ! As such, there is no regression, so there's nothing to fix.

The workaround is to use Tools Customize and add the legacy Broken View function to the ribbon.



NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[JohnRBaker]

The 'workaround' is to add the Centerline symbol manually, which may require that you update it occasionally.

And trust me, the NX 8.0 'Vew Break' IS THE REPLACEMENT for 'Broken View' and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is only fooling themselves. And I wouldn't get to dependent on being able to resurrect the old 'Broken View' command as it's already been tagged as being a 'legacy' function, which is the next step in the process to remove it altogether.

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[phillpd]

John,

Thanks for the information.

I can add the centreline after breaking the view, that's no problem. It's when I attach dimensions to the centreline. Any changes to the model, I get the popup message when I go to drafting and my centreline and dimensions are gone. Update view displays them temporarily, but the popup appears and they're gone again.

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[phillpd]

One last question John, are there any plans to allow the use of Active Sketch View for a broken view ?

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

 

[cubalibre000]

https://solutions.industrysoftware.automation.siemens.com/view.php?si=002-7006086

Thank you...

Using NX 8 and PDM RuleDesigner

 

[ThorA]

You could also add the centerline to an expanded view. Just remember to scale your centerline.

NX8.0.3.4 TC 9.1.2.3.
HP Z820 / QuadroK4000

 

[ewh]

Speaking with GTAC, they're informing me that View Break isn't a replacement for Broken View

You got some MBAs running the help desk, John? ;-)

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[icconian]

Does anyone see any improvements in NX10?

 

[JohnRBaker]

This is planned to be addressed as part of a larger future project.

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[daxinarian]

It's NOT broken!

It's simply an issue that has been judged to be something which could be addressed at some later, but as yet unspecified, date.

Isn't that kind of the definition of broken? "Broken: not working properly [Merriam-Webster]"

You keep wanting to make this an NX 9.0 issue. It's not. The changes were made in NX 8.0.

Isn't that worse?

 

[JohnRBaker]

There is no assurance that all software bugs will be fixed immediately. In this case, there are known issues that have yet to be addressed and for now users are being warned of that situation when using the function. I wish we could fix it sooner, but it's not my call to make. The best way to make your feeling known to the people who are responsible (since they do not follow Eng-Tips) is to call GTAC and have them open a PR.

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