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[enginesrus]

This could be a fun topic here. Its about engineering regression, you know where something was designed nicely in the older days, then basically ruined in modern days.
I'll start out with something simple like filler locations, for gas and oil tanks on gasoline powered chain saws. In some of the beginning examples you simply set the saw down in its normal set position and could add the fuel mix and bar oil. Now many newer overly plasticized models you need to flip them on their sides to add the fluids. So if there is a slight leak from the cap, then of course the fluid leaks easily out.

 

[BrianPetersen]

Don't get me started on Microsoft. I use Windows because too much software that I have to use is Windows-specific. There's probably a way to run it on Linux, but I am not enough of a computer geek to make that happen.

Upgrading my laptop to Windows 11 was a mistake. Nothing works better, everything works slower, and it crashes more.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Exactly how does a long time (since 1985) Mac user show sympathy for your situation

Granted, during my professional years, I too was a slave to Microsoft Windows like many of you, but when I went home at night, I left all that behind as I returned to my macOS haven.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
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UG/NX Museum:

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It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[SnTMan]

I have many times wondered what MS programmers think the users actually DO with their computers. Some kinda alien unintelligence, you ask me.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[spsalso]

New Rule:

Programs may not be "upgraded" unless 50% + 1 of users request it. And NO weaseling on this!

And. The "upgrade" must turn out to be acceptable to that 50% + 1.


spsalso

 

[Eufalconimorph]

Windows 11 has ONE feature that might be nice: its version of the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) can run Linux GUI applications that the Windows 10 version can't (at least not easily). But thanks to Valve's Proton (improved WINE) a lot of Windows programs run just fine on Linux, so going the other way around is often viable.

 

[IRstuff]

Programs may not be "upgraded" unless 50% + 1 of users request it. And NO weaseling on this!

Conceptually, that's nice, but that mean you MUST pay maintenance, otherwise, there wouldn't be enough cash flow to keep the company solvent, and you'd get orphaned software.

TTFN (ta ta for now)
I can do absolutely anything. I'm an expert!

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[spsalso]

Oh. So it's unasked-for upgrades that are keeping us from having to pay maintenance?


spsalso

 

[IRstuff]

My personal theory is that there's some aspect of spread spectrum as well. A new version means changes in the targets that hackers want to hack, delaying the inevitable, and all the investment in breaking the old version is sunk cost.

TTFN (ta ta for now)
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[TugboatEng]

Exactly, spalso. This is the same issue people complain about with John Deere. People don't mind paying for parts to maintain their tractor but refuse to pay for the software and tools because they require a subscription to fund their maintenance.

New versions of software is a workaround. People don't like paying for things they can't see or touch so a new GUI has to be applied over all of the unseen structural changes beneath it. The trouble here is that the old GUI was really good, hard to improve on.

 

[CWB1]

Mind you, Office 365 is just an application....This was not an operating system upgrade or something like the replacement of all our computers and servers.

Yes and no. O365 is commonly integrated with some combination of cloud and/or local server storage depending on your need for data security, Teams for communicating/sharing/posting, and has both web and local versions of each app so there's quite a lot to set up / screw up. Its an amazingly powerful network of tools and very intuitive to use if set up and maintained properly but that relies on your IT folks' basic competence. Until I moved into a govt role recently I'd have thought recent years had brought out the best in MS bc their products had become highly reliable IME, now I have my doubts but am leaning more toward blaming govt IT rather than MS.

 

[SwinnyGG]

I just hope threads like this wake up the now generation of engineers and manufactures.

They won't. Give it up.

 

[enginesrus]

The main problem with anything new Microsoft is, most all of it is spy ware. When windows 10 came out it was shown it was constantly in contact with some remote server. I would think if you worked on some company development project that was not supposed to be transmitted on the net for security reasons, windows 10 would not have been a good thing. Then what about some of these china made scan tools that need a monthly link to a wifi to work properly? That is the problem with any subscription the snooping.

 

[SnTMan]

IOT -- it'll be the refrigerator next

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[debodine]

SnTMan:

When we shopped for a new refrigerator about two years ago, I deliberately refused to look at the versions available that had display screens to manage the internet capability of the refrigerator. Of course, the one I bought could have hidden internet and I would not know it. LOL

I am sure other devices in my house (computer, phones, TV, etc.) are already spying on my family - but at least I tried.

 

[TigerGuy]

As near as I can tell, Microsoft alternates good and bad releases of Windows.
Windows 95
Windows 98 Not bad
Windows 2000
Windows XP Really liked
Windows Vista YUCK
Windows 7 Decent
Windows 8 Not the worst, by far not the best
Windows 10 Seems ok so far

I don't have high hopes for Windows 11

 

[thebard3]

Potential sources for intrusion by malware-

OR anything that connects to your network.

Brad Waybright

The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

 

[SnTMan]

Tiger guy, I *REALLY, REALLY* liked XP. Seven was OK. I might have been one of the last to run 95. Skipped all the others. I have 10 now, totally dreading 11.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[WinelandV]

I see TigerGuy must have blacked out the "Windows ME" (Millennium Edition) experience.

 

[jayrod12]

Ugh, ME and Vista were both versions where I formatted my harddrive after upgrading and reinstalled the previous version.

 

[Sparweb]

Still running Win 7 on this computer, still pleased with it. No interest in going to Windows 10. I even abandoned my subscription to Adobe Photoshop because it no longer supported Windows 7. I have a lot of legacy software that works PERFECTLY FINE and I can still do things on this computer that the stuff at the office can't do, because I can't get IT to install it there.