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[enginesrus]

This could be a fun topic here. Its about engineering regression, you know where something was designed nicely in the older days, then basically ruined in modern days.
I'll start out with something simple like filler locations, for gas and oil tanks on gasoline powered chain saws. In some of the beginning examples you simply set the saw down in its normal set position and could add the fuel mix and bar oil. Now many newer overly plasticized models you need to flip them on their sides to add the fluids. So if there is a slight leak from the cap, then of course the fluid leaks easily out.

 

[enginesrus]

A new engine design study, 3.0 Duramax, chains and belts, talk about cutting corners, and quality. Even most lawn mower engines are designed better, hmmm Honda?

 

[SnTMan]

Chains, belts AND suspenders

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[spsalso]

Courts do not like frivolous law suits. It can make them cranky. Attorneys can be sanctioned for filing them, and plaintiffs can receive financial penalties.

My wife went to law school(and passed the bar). It's not just law you learn there, but how to be logical, how to prepare a case, how to present it, how to deal with clients......

All of the above can be very handy in business. I suspect a law degree has more benefit than a business degree, to the extent that it teaches you to think logically. There are those who think that ability is of use in business.


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[IRstuff]

Rudy Giuliani got his law license suspended for essentially filing frivolous lawsuits. Sidney Powell is likely not far behind for same.

These are people with powerful friends; you can imagine what might happen to some hapless lawyer with no backing doing similar.

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[Lou Scannon]

I suspect a law degree has more benefit than a business degree, to the extent that it teaches you to think logically. There are those who think that ability is of use in business.

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[IRstuff]

I suspect a law degree has more benefit than a business degree, to the extent that it teaches you to think logically.

I've come across the opposite; lawyers follow the law, which is often illogical, so being logical can often steer a lawyer in the wrong direction.

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[JohnRBaker]

And then there's the issue of ethics.

When I was working in sales back with the Automation division of McDonnell Douglas, during one of our annual sales conferences back in St Louis, the vice-president of sales asked one of the corporate attorneys to come in and give us a presentation on ethical business practices. The VP was a bit put-out when the attorney opened his talk by explaining that if you really wanted to learn about ethics, you'd be better served inviting a priest or rabbi. Lawyers can tell you what's legal or illegal, but that doesn't automatically apply to what's ethical or unethical. He did say that generally speaking, most all ethical behavior is lawful, however, the same can't be said for unethical behavior. He explained that there are many activities and actions which the average person would look upon as being unethical, but which at the same time would be perfectly legal. I have to say that with the questions that were asked and the examples discussed, that it turned out to be a very interesting session, and some of us came away with a new understanding of the law and how it's not always as cut & dried as some people would like to think that it is.

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[enginesrus]

Agree IRstuff, anything to do with law and laws, logic is tossed out the window.

 

[cranky108]

Yes, but lawers don't understand (in general) how the real world works. I work with a lawyer on compliance , and she gets very confused with the wording like 30 degree phase angle and 0.85 per unit voltage. I get very confused on the other wording that is legal in nature. What sick person would ever mix the two (Cough NERC cough).

The interesting part is it says to calculate, but not to calculate correctly, so if I screw up the formula, there is no penalty.

 

[CWB1]

I suspect a law degree has more benefit than a business degree...

In terms of practical knowledge I wouldn't disagree, but the huge difference in cost and time invested makes justifying the law degree difficult. That said, I am one of those odd, perpetual/hobby students and am considering a JD for my next degree.

The other important thing to remember in discussions of law and ethics stateside is that our legal system is largely bound by precedent. Arguably "bad" court decisions unfortunately have muddied many pieces of seemingly straightforward legislation with loopholes.