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KENAT,

As I asked of our female administrator only yesterday.

"How on earth can all that go into there?"

So now you now.

Search "so no we know" + "mitchell and webb" on utube.

- Steve
 
"I always wondered why Wilbur didn't get married. "

mauricestoker:

Wilbur was married to Carol; you're probably meant to say I wonder why they never had children. The strange thing about the show was why an architect of all people would have his office in a stable.

Ethics training, SMART Goals, quality management (which comes down to knowing how to fill out forms), Women's Councils, wellness coaches, and all this other nonsense are all signs that we're headed deeper into barbarism.

As a society, we have so much knowledge but so little wisdom.

 
Where I work, after you take your ethics training, you then go to a company website, and "acknowledge" you took the training.

I wonder how many people "acknowledge" without taking the training.
 
Our training ends with the option to print off a certificate with your name on it. Takes pride of place on my cube wall now. Right next to the last one.

- Steve
 
As others have alluded, ethics can't be taught ... you either have them or you don't.

The 'training' is a CYA for HR and the company.
 
"As others have alluded, ethics can't be taught ... you either have them or you don't."

Fortunately that's not true, but it is difficult to change what was learnt in childhood.
 
Can we force ethics training on politicians? They need it and Mr. Ed.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC
 
Bridgebuster,

Thank you for the correction. Memory fails after a few decades. I'll have to do some research on Hulu to catch up on my literary shortfalls.

As you have apparently been doing your research, I have a question you might be able to answer (besides Mary Ann vs. Ginger)to settle a bet:

Was that Larry Bird as a child star playing the banjo on "Deliverance"?
 
Thanks IR for clearing up the Larry Bird issue.

mauricestoker - I've only seen Deliverance once and never would have been able to recall the what the banjo player looked like. I do remember that Studebaker was the sponsor of Mr. Ed.
 
My experience is those that espouse "good ethics" and live the "virtuous" ideal are often those who would be the first in line to stab you in the back.
 
MiketheEngineer, that's not been my experience. The good guys are generally the good guys and the bad guys are generally the bad guys. However, I have worked with some wolves in sheep's clothing. They've made me double up on my observations before trusting them much at all. I've also learned managers who pay attention and are good themselves know who they are.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC
 
It's a mistake to equate ethics with virtue or morality. Ethics (in this context) is about acceptable conduct, no more, no less.

Virtuous people do not need to be told about ethics, but one can not measure or enforce virtue. The nature of humanity is such that a line needs to be drawn.
 
Lacajun -

I don't disagree with you. But if someone has to spend an inordinate amount of time telling me how good, how fast or how ethical they are - then my instincts go on high alert!!
 
MiketheEngineer, I raise the Red Flag with a sell job, too. I agree with TheTick, too. A friend of mine, a very dear man, told me years ago that he looks for the purity of motive in people. That became my gauge, too. A lot of Bible study has helped tremendously, too, to recognize not only the bad but the good.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC
 
It's a shame we can't get St. Thomas Aquinas to join the discussion. He had a lot to say about virtue and ethics.
 
I'm surprised that this has not yet lead off into a discussion of the 'X' and 'Y' management styles since I suspect that if one looked close enough at managers who exhibited one style versus the other, that some correlation could be made to the topic being discussed here as well:


John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 
My Theory Y side works very hard at being a Theory X person.

In undergraduate school I took a course in organizational behavior; the professor didn't think highly of the XY theory.
 
Since I've worked for classic examples of both (fortunately more 'Y's than 'X's) I KNOW they exist, whether their forehead is 'branded' as such or not ;-)

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 
Being a Theory X employee would be unethical since it lacks virue.
 
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