milwaukeebob
Electrical
- Jun 21, 2004
- 42
I have a question regarding a fire pump/motor and associated fire pump controller/auto-transfer switch (ATS) installation at small power generation plant (<40MW). The plant is in the final stages of installation and commissioning has already begun. Note the owner of the plant is not a utility.
The design/installation of the fire pump system and associated small building is non-traditional in that there is odd scope-split between the owner and the EPC Contractor. Furthermore, portions of the design do not appear to have been vetted properly by a traditional, single Engineer of Record (EoR). I was brought in very late in the project cycle to represent the owner and help with several high-level tasks. Although I’m a degreed power electrical engineer and have almost 30 years of industrial power plant experience, I’m not a fire pump/protection expert. Nonetheless, I recognized some oddities when it came to the fire pump/system design and installation.
The existing installation design has a traditional listed electric fire pump controller with an ATS that feeds a small fire pump/motor (460V, 125hp). The ATS has two (2) incoming supply feeds – one is a NORMAL feed and the other is an ALTERNATE feed. The NORMAL feed meets all the requirements of NEC Article 695 and NFPA 20 including the requirement for the entire circuit to be designed to carry locked rotor current (LRC) from the fire pump motor indefinitely. According to all practical industry definitions and based on historical data, the NORMAL feed would be considered a reliable power source per NFPA 20 and NEC 695. Although the NORMAL feed is derived from a reliable utility power source, there is also an in-plant permanently installed portable generator connected to the plant electrical system that also backs up the low voltage switchgear where the NORMAL feed to the fire pump ATS comes from.
Despite having an individual reliable power source, the client decided they wanted to add an ATS and an ALTERNATE source of power for emergency, extremely low probability conditions. This ALTERNATE source of power is from a separately derived utility power source via pole-mounted xfmrs (34.5kV/480V) through a low-voltage switchboard. There is a series of fuses and a molded-case circuit breaker between the secondary side of the xfmrs and the input of the ATS.
The primary question I have is does the ALTERNATE source circuit need to be designed to carry LRC? NFPA 20 seems to suggest it does NOT. NEC 695 is a lot more convoluted. My experience with the ALTERNATE source of power is from a traditional on-site standby generator connected to the ATS. In NEC 695.3(D) “On-Site Standby Generator as Alternate Source” it clearly states this ALTERNATE source does NOT need to be designed to indefinitely carry LRC. While it’s understood the existing ALTERNATE source via utility pole-mounted xfmrs is NOT an on-site generator, what would be the difference between the two? I see this section of the Code suggesting intent here. The whole purpose for my question is that there is now another engineer involved in the review effort who is suggesting the ALTERNATE source needs to be designed for LRC. I have taken the opposing position.
Appreciate all feedback on this and would especially like to hear from those with specific experience in this area.
The design/installation of the fire pump system and associated small building is non-traditional in that there is odd scope-split between the owner and the EPC Contractor. Furthermore, portions of the design do not appear to have been vetted properly by a traditional, single Engineer of Record (EoR). I was brought in very late in the project cycle to represent the owner and help with several high-level tasks. Although I’m a degreed power electrical engineer and have almost 30 years of industrial power plant experience, I’m not a fire pump/protection expert. Nonetheless, I recognized some oddities when it came to the fire pump/system design and installation.
The existing installation design has a traditional listed electric fire pump controller with an ATS that feeds a small fire pump/motor (460V, 125hp). The ATS has two (2) incoming supply feeds – one is a NORMAL feed and the other is an ALTERNATE feed. The NORMAL feed meets all the requirements of NEC Article 695 and NFPA 20 including the requirement for the entire circuit to be designed to carry locked rotor current (LRC) from the fire pump motor indefinitely. According to all practical industry definitions and based on historical data, the NORMAL feed would be considered a reliable power source per NFPA 20 and NEC 695. Although the NORMAL feed is derived from a reliable utility power source, there is also an in-plant permanently installed portable generator connected to the plant electrical system that also backs up the low voltage switchgear where the NORMAL feed to the fire pump ATS comes from.
Despite having an individual reliable power source, the client decided they wanted to add an ATS and an ALTERNATE source of power for emergency, extremely low probability conditions. This ALTERNATE source of power is from a separately derived utility power source via pole-mounted xfmrs (34.5kV/480V) through a low-voltage switchboard. There is a series of fuses and a molded-case circuit breaker between the secondary side of the xfmrs and the input of the ATS.
The primary question I have is does the ALTERNATE source circuit need to be designed to carry LRC? NFPA 20 seems to suggest it does NOT. NEC 695 is a lot more convoluted. My experience with the ALTERNATE source of power is from a traditional on-site standby generator connected to the ATS. In NEC 695.3(D) “On-Site Standby Generator as Alternate Source” it clearly states this ALTERNATE source does NOT need to be designed to indefinitely carry LRC. While it’s understood the existing ALTERNATE source via utility pole-mounted xfmrs is NOT an on-site generator, what would be the difference between the two? I see this section of the Code suggesting intent here. The whole purpose for my question is that there is now another engineer involved in the review effort who is suggesting the ALTERNATE source needs to be designed for LRC. I have taken the opposing position.
Appreciate all feedback on this and would especially like to hear from those with specific experience in this area.