Further to USS Fitzgerald collision 4

[hokie66]

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Reports in the Navy Times condemn the actions of the crew.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...erald-probe-the-navy-doesnt-want-you-to-read/

 

[IRstuff]

Definitely worse that just mere inattentiveness that I thought it was.

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[oldestguy]

A former Navy seagoing officer here. I'm thinking there still was more not disclosed. Even with simple radar that our LST had there is not any excuse not knowing all that goes on around you. "A second ship not known" Goophy. Also a tired crew is no excuse either. I had many a lost sleep situation during Korean war and it didn't get in the way. You don't need a CIC for navigating. Probably a main question is why was the navy ship in the busy commercial "roadway" anyhow?

 

[thebard3]

I'm thinking there still was more not disclosed.

I agree with that, but the bottles of pee, trash and food in CIC? Nothing explains that. I'm a navy vet too and I can't imagine that CIC was anything but 'a place for everything and everything in it's place'.

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[jgailla]

Some of my ex-Navy friends have said they allow cell phones at duty stations, which seems incredible to me.

 

[Artisi]

Why not have your phone with you, need to ensure an ongoing log of selfies...

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

 

[Comcokid]

It has been suqqested that some of the navy ship collisions may have been caused by direct manipulation of the navigation system data in the ships.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

"Elemental’s servers could be found in Department of Defense data centers, the CIA’s drone operations, and the onboard networks of Navy warships."

 

[danw2]

This 1 1/2 year old article (link) looks at the debate between "back to basic seamanship" vs "look to industry for more technology solutions". Good read revealing a huge shift in officer training in 2003 that has affected basic seamanship skills.

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[hokie66]

danw2,
That sounds directly analogous to the over-reliance by some engineers now on computer programs in design. Computers are great tools, but garbage in, garbage out.

 

[IRstuff]

The spy chip thing is a red herring; regardless of whether they're even real, the bottom line is that the bridge crews in two ship collisions were both untrained, lackadaisical, and inattentive. As usual, this boils down to poor management, who didn't instill the correct work ethic, training, and discipline on their own crews.

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[waross]

I agree with IRstuff.
If the spy chips are in fact real, no-one is going to compromise a window into the valuable secrets of governments and major companies by using it for unproductive malicious vandalism.

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[ornerynorsk]

Complacency is a bigger threat than mechanical failure, conspiracies, and poor planning all combined.

It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all.

 

[thebard3]

The spy chip thing is a red herring; regardless of whether they're even real, the bottom line is that the bridge crews in two ship collisions were both untrained, lackadaisical, and inattentive. As usual, this boils down to poor management, who didn't instill the correct work ethic, training, and discipline on their own crews.

Right. Even more surprising, the CO and XO were both on the bridge of the McCain when that accident occurred.

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