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High Humidity New Tenant Finish Space

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AxisCat

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Apr 7, 2008
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We are experiencing high humidity levels in a new tenant finish in one space of a mini mall. This is your typical setup glass store front on one side, exterior wall on the back and demising walls separating each space.

At present this space has a Jersey Mikes on one side and an unfinished space on the other. The demising walls are fire rated and extend to the bottom of the roof deck.
The space itself is about 1700 square feet. My load calculations show requirements of 35,948 btu sensible, 8,516 btu latent, 44,465 btu total. The building is located in southwest Kentucky.

We chose to install a single 5-ton packaged rooftop with DX cooling (single stage) A 4-ton may have been a better choice but I don’t think oversizing is the issue here.

The air balance contractor measured total supply air at 2,150 cfm (direct drive motor on lowest speed tap) Outside air is set at 200 cfm.

The new tenants have not moved in yet and the system has been in operation for the last 3 weeks during final stages of finish work. The unit appears to operating perfectly with all the tests we have done so far. All the ducting is inside the building envelope so I can’t see any duct leakage contributing to pressure unbalance. The first thing we did was block off all the outside air which had no measurable effect on the high humidity inside.
The humidity level has been hovering around 80% plus or minus a couple of percent for the last 5 days with high temperatures around the upper 80’s – low 90’s. Needless to say it is effecting the interior of the building; ceiling tiles are warping, doors aren’t shutting properly, etc.

The General Contractor can’t think of any recent activities that would have added moisture to the space. I am at a complete loss of where to go from here, if anyone has any suggestions on what to check next it would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Darrell



 
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Sorry it's been a while since I logged on.

Here’s what is happening: you have no load and your unit is grossly oversized for this condition. The fan runs continuously, which means the DX cooling cycles for a very short period; the space gets to set point quickly, then the off-cycle brings in loads of exterior moisture while the space temperature comes back up.

A nicely undersized 1-ton unit would provide the conditions you need and eliminate this dilemma. After people move in, the load demand may change, but for now, an undersized unit is what you need.
 
I am curious, what is the latest condition? What has been done/tried and has it worked?
 
itsmoked, I think I'd have to reread your and my posts to properly answer: "So Chas you're saying there's no real time for dehumidification to ever occur?" made me think. Then I thought, then I went to bed..
 
I agree with Chas' earlier post about the unit not running long enough to dehumidify.
I had the same issue a few years back - large space with large units designed for a large ultimate load. In a day one scenario there was no load and the space humidity went way up.

We ended up retrofitting the units with hot gas bypass (HGB) which effectively allows you to false load the compressors and strip moisture out of the air without freezing up your coils. a better solution would have been to provide hot gas reheat (HGR) as this is a better dehumidification method, but it was too costly to implement.
Alternately add a small unit like Chas suggested, or add some unit heaters to give the unit something to work against.

I would recommend that for systems with highly variable loads, AHUs constant speed/staged compressors should be provided with HGR. I'm not sure about variable speed compressors, I want to say they would resolve the low load issues but my gut tells me they would not.
 
indeed it is. It's not exactly energy efficient, however if you have a system where humidity control is important, or the space load is highly variable, then it is a good option.
 
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