How's this for respect? 7

[Beggar]

I've read many of the posts about respect, image, etc of the enginering profession. I've just heard a couple of ads that touch on this.

There's a LASIK surgeon in the SF Bay Area who advertises on the radio. They start in his qualifications, "Harvard MD and degreed electrical engineer"

Wow, a doctor considers it a marketing plus to point out he's got an EE degree as an undergrad. Perhaps it's not so dismal as some people think.

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[whyun]

Huge disadvantage means being in the "junior engineer" classification regardless of number of years of experience, though there are exceptions.

I know of a few who started out as manual drafters who were motivated enough to learn to perform structural calculations. They have obvious limitations as an engineer without formal engineering education from universities; however, within certain bounds, they outperform and even mentor new graduates.

I agree with SacreBleu that licensure is essentially mandatory for a "normal" structural engineering career.

 

[wes616]

Working in the manufacturing end of the industry, I would never consider a PE. I do believe that it is an unnecessary personal risk, and well, as Groucho said,

"I wouldn't join any group that would have me as a memeber."

Professional lisensure, while I recognise it as a necessity for many subspecialties (like building industry) is not, or should not be the distinction of an engineer. Engineering is a verb not a noun!

I know a few Professional Engineers (my dad being one) that couldn't engineer their way out of a paper sack... and Quite a few (ie... the romans) that never had lisenses yet were able to build structures that have held up thousands and thousands of years...

 

[bioengr82]

Engineering may be a verb but I don't know anyone who took a test to become an engineering. I do know people who took a test be become an engineer (noun).

 

[vooter]

"Quite a few (ie... the romans) that never had lisenses yet were able to build structures that have held up thousands and thousands of years..."

Yeah, but the legal penalties were harsh enough back then to make overdesign the right way to go.

 

[wes616]

I do know people who took a test be become an engineer (noun).

Last night my wife and I were watching television. Animal Planet had a program about a monkey who scored a 1550 on the SAT.

Just because you can pass a test doesn't mean you can do the work(v.) we do.

Vooter, maybe we should instead of bringing lawsuits against Engineers and Architects that design buildings that fall down, we should Hang them in the streets or at the very least run them out of town... tarred and feathered... on a rail.

 

[DRC1]

Engineering is the direction of the manipulation of physical sciences to a useful purpose. Anyone can be an engineer, license or not, degree or not. It is absolutley untrue that one have a license to be an engineer. Most full professors who have provided the methods by which we engineer today were not and are not licensed, yet it would be wrong to say they are not engineers while use what they have taught us to carry out or designs. Some of the best engineers from whom I have learned are welders, carpenters, crane operaters and superintendents.

If one practices engineering commercially, ie provides design services for a fee, then either they or asupervisor in the firm must be licensed. This insures the buyer that the desin was perfomed or supervised by a reasonably competent engineer.

Finally, if the Doc is a degreed engineer and proud of it, I say great and so much the better for all of us. No one has suffered and the engineering community has gained.

 

[vooter]

", maybe we should instead of bringing lawsuits against Engineers and Architects that design buildings that fall down, we should Hang them in the streets or at the very least run them out of town... tarred and feathered... on a rail."

I'm for it.