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Injector flowbench test fluid 2
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MacGyverS2000
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I'm going to take a huge stab in the dark, knowing nothing about the above, but I would imagine alcohol would work well. Shouldn't have any adverse effect on the injectors themselves, and will quickly dry out without leaving a residue once you're finished testing. Deionized water would be a second choice, although it won't dry as fast... maybe a squirt of alcohol after using the water?
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At Siemens we used Viscor from what I remember.
strokersix
Mechanical
I think the ideal fluid will vary depending on what you want to accomplish. If you are just checking injector function or perhaps comparing one to another then the DI water suggestions are probably good. If you wish to measure flow rate or check spray patterns then you probably need a fluid with properties similar to actual fluid in use.
Above comments are conjecture on my part and are NOT based on actual experience.
Above comments are conjecture on my part and are NOT based on actual experience.
MacGyverS2000
Electrical
I'll be a monkey's uncle... sounds like my suggestion was a decent one 
Dan
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Hi emetz564,
The Viscor is definitely your choice. It always depend on want you want to do. If you only test quickly an injector ( direct or indirect) that should not be any problems with water or alcohol. However, there is two problems. The first one is that water will tend to oxidise the parts, alcohol has not the same viscosity. Some damage my be occuring in long test usage to the injector. I also found out that the results are about 5 to 10% wrong.
The viscor ( or also called ISO fluids) have also the great advantage of not burning so easily and are not dangerous for your helth.
There is also companies in Europe that can test your injector to a great accuracy for really little money.
Have fun testing !
The Viscor is definitely your choice. It always depend on want you want to do. If you only test quickly an injector ( direct or indirect) that should not be any problems with water or alcohol. However, there is two problems. The first one is that water will tend to oxidise the parts, alcohol has not the same viscosity. Some damage my be occuring in long test usage to the injector. I also found out that the results are about 5 to 10% wrong.
The viscor ( or also called ISO fluids) have also the great advantage of not burning so easily and are not dangerous for your helth.
There is also companies in Europe that can test your injector to a great accuracy for really little money.
Have fun testing !
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All the fuel injection companies use 2 types of calibration fluids. For regular production work the Rock Valley Viscor 16A and 16B are regularly used (there are other suppliers as well) for safety reasons. However, the viscosity and density are not the best match to "gasoline" and thus flow ocorrection factors must be used if absolute accuracy is required. For more accurate work, you need an explosion proof test rig and either n-Heptane or Indolene. N-Heptane can be filtered and reused because it is a pure substance. Indolene is your best match to "gasoline" but because it is a blend it can only be used for a single pass and then discarded.
Don't even think about using any kind of water or alchohol blend, you are likely to turn your injectors into scrap.
Lots of places can do injector flow testing, very few can do accurate, repeatable flow testing. Stay away from anybody with an ASNU tester, they are a total piece of junk. Russ Collins at RC Engineering can do good flow testing and injector matching.
SAE J 1862 will tell you all about injector flow measuirement.
Don't even think about using any kind of water or alchohol blend, you are likely to turn your injectors into scrap.
Lots of places can do injector flow testing, very few can do accurate, repeatable flow testing. Stay away from anybody with an ASNU tester, they are a total piece of junk. Russ Collins at RC Engineering can do good flow testing and injector matching.
SAE J 1862 will tell you all about injector flow measuirement.
patprimmer
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I use alcohol in my system, but it is designed for alcohol.
I think you mean do not use alcohol in a system designed only for petrol.
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I think you mean do not use alcohol in a system designed only for petrol.
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thrashercharged
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I'm also building an injector flow bench as well and just found this thread.
dgallup said:
"Lots of places can do injector flow testing, very few can do accurate, repeatable flow testing. Stay away from anybody with an ASNU tester, they are a total piece of junk."
Could someone elaborate on why? I haven't ever seen one, I'd like to understand what the deficiencies are to avoid making the same mistakes. Maybe I'm thinking too simplistic here, but I was envisioning on the mechanical side simply making a stand with a tank for the fluid and a pump, then running into a rail with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (with a gauge). Have the injectors spray into graduated cylinders or something like we used in a chemistry lab to measure the output.
On the electronics side, I'd run the injectors for a set length of time. Fire all the injectors simultaneously, have a user adjustable pulse width, have the user set the "engine RPM" to simulate the firing frequency of a running engine.
What am I missing here? Wouldn't the ASNU device (or any injector tester) work similarly? Why would this not be accurate? This really doesn't seem very complex, which is why I'm perplexed by the cost of these testers and willing to build my own!
To clean the injectors, it appears that ASNU is simply using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaning machine that you can buy for $40.00 or so, filling it with some fluid and soaking the injectors in there. Any idea on what cleaning fluid to use? I was just thinking of filling the bowl with some carb/injector cleaning fluid you'd get from an auto parts store. Or running the pressurized cleaners (such as 3M) through the rail as I cycled the injectors?
Any advice/thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
dgallup said:
"Lots of places can do injector flow testing, very few can do accurate, repeatable flow testing. Stay away from anybody with an ASNU tester, they are a total piece of junk."
Could someone elaborate on why? I haven't ever seen one, I'd like to understand what the deficiencies are to avoid making the same mistakes. Maybe I'm thinking too simplistic here, but I was envisioning on the mechanical side simply making a stand with a tank for the fluid and a pump, then running into a rail with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (with a gauge). Have the injectors spray into graduated cylinders or something like we used in a chemistry lab to measure the output.
On the electronics side, I'd run the injectors for a set length of time. Fire all the injectors simultaneously, have a user adjustable pulse width, have the user set the "engine RPM" to simulate the firing frequency of a running engine.
What am I missing here? Wouldn't the ASNU device (or any injector tester) work similarly? Why would this not be accurate? This really doesn't seem very complex, which is why I'm perplexed by the cost of these testers and willing to build my own!
To clean the injectors, it appears that ASNU is simply using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaning machine that you can buy for $40.00 or so, filling it with some fluid and soaking the injectors in there. Any idea on what cleaning fluid to use? I was just thinking of filling the bowl with some carb/injector cleaning fluid you'd get from an auto parts store. Or running the pressurized cleaners (such as 3M) through the rail as I cycled the injectors?
Any advice/thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
TexasDieselGuy
Automotive
Most fuel shops use Viscor in their Diesel test benches, but for gasoline, most get theirs from ASNU (
The things I don't like about ASNU:
1) Most shops have to remove filters to flow injectors on the ASNU (although there are extra fittings available to flow without removing filters I have never seen an ASNU that had them, including ours).
2) You should never remove the filters unless an injector is on death row and it is a last resort, in which case I would replace the injector anyway.
3) NO CAR MANUFACTURE (or injector manufacture) recommends cleaning fuel injectors!!! ASNU or otherwise.
4) Very few injectors need cleaning and for those that do, it is usually ineffective.
5) Their cleaning is very dangerous & should never be done. The flow path inside the injector is far from straight and there are lots on nooks & crannies for the EXTERNAL carbon to be lodged INSIDE the injector only to later stick the injector open and hydraulic the engine.
6) Their flow test pressure circuit does not meet the SAE spec.
7) Their electronic drive circuit does not match the vehicle circuits.
8) Their test fluid is ?????
9) A gravimetric system is much more accurate than a volumetric system for measuring flow. Particularly a low tech graduated cylinder volumetric system. If you follow good laboratory practice you can get decent results but in my experience that rarely happens.
10) Their website is full of s#!t.
1) Most shops have to remove filters to flow injectors on the ASNU (although there are extra fittings available to flow without removing filters I have never seen an ASNU that had them, including ours).
2) You should never remove the filters unless an injector is on death row and it is a last resort, in which case I would replace the injector anyway.
3) NO CAR MANUFACTURE (or injector manufacture) recommends cleaning fuel injectors!!! ASNU or otherwise.
4) Very few injectors need cleaning and for those that do, it is usually ineffective.
5) Their cleaning is very dangerous & should never be done. The flow path inside the injector is far from straight and there are lots on nooks & crannies for the EXTERNAL carbon to be lodged INSIDE the injector only to later stick the injector open and hydraulic the engine.
6) Their flow test pressure circuit does not meet the SAE spec.
7) Their electronic drive circuit does not match the vehicle circuits.
8) Their test fluid is ?????
9) A gravimetric system is much more accurate than a volumetric system for measuring flow. Particularly a low tech graduated cylinder volumetric system. If you follow good laboratory practice you can get decent results but in my experience that rarely happens.
10) Their website is full of s#!t.
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