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a-rai

a-rai

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Apr 30, 2023
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I have a few questions.

Ancient Rome's population peaked at around a million people. London in the 19th century was the first city to surpass that. According to the UN's data booklet, The World's Cities in 2018, the number of cities with at least 1 million inhabitants were 548. Tokyo was the most populous with more than 37 million people.

Consider the amount of structures and infrastructure (electrical and plumbing systems, etc.) built in a relatively short period of time. What will happen when everything starts to fail? Will we try to repair what is irreparable? In that hopeless state of things, will we hop into airplanes or spaceships to move to another plot of land or planet? Will we rebuild everything in our new home? What will happen to our old one? Will it be the post-apocalyptic world portrayed in films of the past? Will it be a laboratory for military personnel to retrieve images of mushroom clouds? In the new world, will we use the same plans or make them better? Are we all Bill Murray in Groundhog Day? Are we the end product of our own creation? Did the psyche bring the cycle? Is this not the definition of insanity?

Are you ready? I'm just curious...
 
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Here is a recent image for comparison.

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120 years ago, planners were worried that the explosion of population and horse drawn carriages were going to bury cities in poop.

We've moved on. We will move on again.
 
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So, 123 years later, the Woolworth Building is still a functional and functioning building and part of it has been repurposed as residences.

And, the comparison picture belies your complaint; older buildings didn't get abandoned, they were torn down to build more suitable buildings. Such is the way of life.

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IRstuff, imagine yourself atop this hill in Shenzhen soon after graduating. You wouldn't retire before seeing that sprawl. In fact, you'd still have to work for a decade or so. The city is like a building. Think of it as the Paris of Versailles. When the time comes to tear it down, as you said, where will everyone go?

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Residents will move into the new buildings that replace them, the same as most cities. When necessary we'll also do like we've done in Detroit, Youngstown OH, and others and simply not replace infrastructure if not needed.
 
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SWComposites, what do you mean? Why am I asking or what am I asking?
 
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Wise are those who question...

The protagonist below embodies the world of construction. If you think it should stop, you see an issue. That's all.

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a-rai said:
A few Chinese built 57 stories in 19 days.
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I believe you mean, erected buildings in 19 days, there is a big difference in erection time and construction time. These buildings from what I recall were assembled as modules over the coarse of months/years as was the foundation. They just shifted where the "time went".

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phamENG, I'm not interested in discussion. I'd simply like to know what you all think about this.
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Did not phamENG provide his thoughts here? Asking for someones thoughts is the same as discussing it, you can't ask for a thought, disagree but then shut out the person before they can provide context to their thoughts - that is called American politics :p.

A good current case study for not maintaining a city and people leaving is Detroit, but since we aren't encouraged to have a discussion here, I'll let you go research it for yourself.

 
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If you think it should stop, you see an issue.
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Why do you think it should stop? Aren't there an every increasing number of people in the world? Are they supposed to live and work on the streets without housing and workplaces?

And if someone moves from, say, San Francisco to Boise, are they supposed to live and work on the streets without housing and workplaces?

Or are you advocating not allowing for more kids and not allowing anyone to move to a different city?

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My dictionary defines engineering as the discipline dealing with the art or science of applying scientific knowledge to practical problems and therefore the point of an engineer is using scientific knowledge to solve practical problems. In the eyes of the engineering community, the identification of a problem is the first step towards a solution. Aesur, I won't discuss it, but you can. I'll just observe, like that orange circle right above you. [wink]

Pardon my frequent use of images. Was it Wordsworth who said a picture is worth a thousand words? Take a good look at this metropolitan aerial. I say a picture is worth a thousand worlds.

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a-rai said:
My dictionary defines engineering as the discipline dealing with the art or science of applying scientific knowledge to practical problems
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I was intrigued to find out yesterday that engineering predates science: Building a Cathedral without Science or Mathematics: The Engineering Method Explained

My glass has a v/c ratio of 0.5

Maybe the tyranny of Murphy is the penalty for hubris. -
 
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Pardon my frequent use of images. Was it Wordsworth who said a picture is worth a thousand words? Take a good look at this metropolitan aerial. I say a picture is worth a thousand worlds.
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You continue to make assertions with no point to them. What exactly is wrong in the image, and what do you think should be in its place?


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a-rai posted a picture of a success story. That's nice. Note the blue skies, not too much pollution. There's a freeway into the CBD for commuters. There appear to be zoning restrictions so that houses aren't intermingled with industrial facilities. But as many people have written, a picture is just a picture.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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GregLocock, you seem to have watched THC's Tokyo Legacy...
 
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GregLocock, the ellipsis omitted the fact it doesn't exist. Your vision of a success story is based on looking at wallpaper (as you put it). There is no historical precedent for such a large city. Take a closer look at Tokyo's walls and use judgement to realize the magnitude of replacing structures and substructures.

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