NX 12 driving me crazy :( 3

[p.t.r]

NX 12 driving me crazy. From measurement tool through adding parts to assembly to translucency of parts. For example in NX 10 when I had a part which contains more bodies (step import from supplier) in the assembly and I would like to have translucent some of the body from the part I open the part highlight the body and use edit object display. In NX 12 I am moving with the translucency button and nothing happens. Or if I will open the part in the new window than translucency works but after switching back to assembly body lost the translucency.

Measuring tool – how can I measure body weight? NX 12 don't allows me to snap a body. Just a faces, points and so on. I was using the measure body command very often in NX 10 and now I am angry a lot. I found the old measure body command and I am using it. But there is a notice ´´to be retired´´ and who knows when this command will disappear from menu.
And one more thing. My 3Dspace mouse cannot remember the buttons setting.

Could some body help??

Thank you!!

 

[multicaduser]

We've experienced all of these things and more, the shading/translucency issue being very irritating at times.

There are many more commands that are "to be retired", and reading through the documentation I don't see reference to what the replacement command is. One command, "join faces", is invaluable in simplifying models that come through translation where the generating program creates tons of edges that just clutter the screen.

Does anyone know if there is documentation on the replacement features to the "to be retired" commands?


NX 11.0.1.11 Windows 10

 

[p.t.r]

One fresh experience. I can not find the cetre of gravity. Could somebody please explain me how can I show or use the centre of gravity with the new measure tool?
I think a lot of new stuff of NX 12 needs a manual.

Thank you very much.

 

[NutAce]

Using the Measure command and setting your selection filter to Solid Body you can select it. In the settings menu of the command you can set it to Associative where it writes the outcome to expressions.
Actually, also pre-selecting the body and then use measure command works.

Also the center of Gravity will be in the results

Translucency seems to work just fine for me. When I change it in the component (made workpart) then it will also be visible in my assembly. (it is just one body in the component though)
Selecting the component in the assembly and then changing Translucency also works for me.

tested this in NX12.0.1.7 MP2


Ronald van den Broek
Senior Application Engineer
Winterthur Gas & Diesel Ltd
NX9 / TC10.1.2

Building new PLM environment from Scratch using NX11 / TC11

 

[p.t.r]

Another day another problems.

1)How can I get this (through preview view) in hole command.

except this

I had adjusted view settings but nothing happened.

2) I sometimes cannot move with dimensions in sketch. I can insert value, but dimensions stack in position near the hole for example.

Thanks a lot.

 

[Rob_N]

I don't recall all of the view changes I made. Mostly I changed the Facet settings to reduce the Jaggies, My template start models where made a long time ago, NX9.

In NX12.0.2 the hole command shows a transparent preview for me

I've attached a template(Start model) I use regularly

template

 

[SiW979]

I've used NX/UG for nearly 20 years, I love it, I have fought it's corner in battles with Catia and Pro-E users time after time, I love so muhc of the new functionality and what the team at Siemens has done with the interface and usability, but, but, I have to say, the new measure tool is without doubt the worst attempt/execution of a tool enhancement I have ever seen in NX, it is utter utter garbage a far as I'm concerned. It's overly complicated and more of hindrance than a help. There are flashes of brilliance in there, but it's miles off what I would expect in terms of quality and ease of use.

Best regards

Simon

NX7.5 NX8.5 NX9 NX10 NX11 NX12
Senior NX Consultant

http://www.team-eng.com

 

[jtozer]

I am also having this problem of the preview not showing transparently! It is intermittent for me though. I was able to get the preview to show correctly by showing the part in its own window, where previously I was trying to add a hole to a component in an assembly, but other components in the same assembly show the hole preview normally when the assembly is the displayed part!

Also, everyone in my department, who all use NX all day, agrees with JCBCAD about the new measure tool (along with other new bugs features) being absolute garbage

 

[Tingsryd]

I have found Measure to be a decent tool but it definitely needs some enhancements before retirement of the previous tools.

The results are limited to only (6) decimal places.
It lacks Create Output Geometry of the previous measure distance tool.
It lacks dynamic slope analysis.


NX 12.0.2
&
Manufacturing EAP

 

[TaylorAnderson]

Folks --

Someone just tipped me off to the Measure discussion over here... Thought I'd drop in and steer you toward some more resources.

I've recorded a series of fourteen videos about the new tool, and they're all available over at the NX Design Knowledge Base here:

[URL unfurl="true"]https://community.plm.automation.siemens.com/t5/NX-Design-Knowledge-Base/NX12-0-2-Measurement-Commands-Consolidation/ta-p/463226[/url]

For reference, there's also a Q&A thread in the forum over there (98 replies and counting) regarding the Measure tool:

[URL unfurl="true"]https://community.plm.automation.siemens.com/t5/NX-Design-Forum/NX-12-Measure/td-p/495453[/url]

A few comments regarding specific questions and/or comments in the thread here at eng tips...

>> The results are limited to only (6) decimal places.

Actually, Measure follows the Dialogs UI Preference "Decimal Places" which is by default four (4) decimal places. Sounds like you have yours set to six. Feel free to choose your precision, if you work down there in the Angstrom precision range. ;-)

>> It lacks Create Output Geometry of the previous measure distance tool.

Actually, Create Output Geometry is still there -- including several NEW options for creating geometry. There's a video about this at the link above. But the critical hint is this: expand the little scene dialog to the right. (Those little three arrows on the right edge.)

>> It lacks dynamic slope analysis.

Ummm... Correct, I think? But this has never been part of the associative measurement commands in the past, so that command should be unchanged. Right? I'm curious what you think we could/should be doing here.

>> I can not find the center of gravity.

It's right there in the middle of the results when you select a solid body. You can now save that CG as an expression, and when you save a point at the CG (hint: expand the scene dialog to the right with the three little arrows) it will actually look like a CG. Also note that you can also save an associative coordinate system representing the Principal Axes, and that Inertial Properties can be associative now as well. (And yeah, almost all of that is new functionality with this new Measure command.)

For future reference, if you have more questions or comments about the Measure command, I monitor the NX Design forum over there pretty closely, but don't get over here nearly as frequently. I'm happy to answer questions when I see them. But I'll see them sooner if you ask over there.

Thanks!


Taylor Anderson
NX Product Manager, Knowledge Reuse and NX Design
Product Engineering Software
Siemens Product Lifecycle Management Software Inc.
(Phoenix, Arizona)

 

[Tingsryd]

@TaylorAnderson
Thanks for your reply! I am definitely going to check out the video!
>> The results are limited to only (6) decimal places.
"Actually, Measure follows the Dialogs UI Preference "Decimal Places" which is by default four (4) decimal places. Sounds like you have yours set to six. Feel free to choose your precision, if you work down there in the Angstrom precision range."

Yes, it sounds a bit unreasonable but I work on a lot of customer supplied models and sometime get unexpected results if I don't use more decimal places when copying and pasting from results from the old information window. Have to admit some of it may be a little OCD but I would much rather work with 14.0000000000 than 13.9998373254. A more substantial reason is at our site we use a standard of 3-place drafting dims for non-critical features and we see a lot of dims floating +/-.001 instead of nominal.


>> It lacks Create Output Geometry of the previous measure distance tool.
"Actually, Create Output Geometry is still there -- including several NEW options for creating geometry. There's a video about this at the link above. But the critical hint is this: expand the little scene dialog to the right. (Those little three arrows on the right edge.)"

Thank you for pointing that out!


>> It lacks dynamic slope analysis.
Ummm... Correct, I think? But this has never been part of the associative measurement commands in the past, so that command should be unchanged. Right? I'm curious what you think we could/should be doing here.

You caught me, lol. There is no such thing in the old measure tool and it has been separate. It would be so convenient to have a dynamic slope tool that you could drag the cursor around the model and it would display the slope in real time; the same method as dragging the cursor around the model to see radii amount in real time. The current method of slope in measure feels clunky and has excessive picks. It is not a deal breaker but dynamic would be nice and I have seen this on mid-range cam software also.





NX 12.0.1
NX 12.0.2
&
Manufacturing EAP

 

[s_hightower]

Hello, For you all that have reported about how bad NX 12 is, has there been any resolution or anything that can make NX 12 any better? I'm currently using NX 12.0.1.7 and I completely agree with you. It seems like it's infested with bugs. I spend most of my time dealing with the clunkiness of NX instead of designing product. Unfortunately, we're stuck on this particular maintenance pack, so if there's any other recommendations besides updating to a different maintenance pack, I'd really appreciate it. I even got a new Dell Precision 5820 workstation and NX is still painfully slow. Thanks

 

[3dr]

Glad I never used 12! I got lucky... it's the first release I've ever skipped.

Hope fully this upcoming one will be much better. I won't be able to skip that one.

Dave
Automotive Tooling / Aircraft Tooling / Ground Support Structures

NX11, Win 10 Pro

 

[s_hightower]

That's good that you had that option not to update! Unfortunately, I didn't have that luxury. We didn't have a choice about updating. I've seen someone else say to never update unless you have to. I think I told a co-worker before the update "At least it can't get much worse". ) (I was wrong.) I guess there is some humor in that, but I kind of lost that after dealing with NX 12 all this time.

 

[Tingsryd]

Sorry to hear about your experiences! 12.0.2 is running great for me and is very snappy for me. Are you running decent hardware? NX is no slouch when it comes to using computer resources! I mostly use manufacturing and use design/drafting about 25% of the time. In 12.0.1 I had a few serious issues in manufacturing which were addressed in 12.0.2 as well as new enhancements added as a result of agile releases.

If you have any way at all to upgrade to 12.0.2 I recommend it. It sounds like most of the gripes in this thread have to do with the new measuring dialog and it is totally different than the old methods. For anyone struggling with it I recommend checking out the links posted by TaylorAnderson; specifically the first link. It has numerous videos showing how to use the new measuring functions.

NX 12.0.2

 

[Toost]

There is a ugly bug in NX12. ,( there are several "AND" in this bug If you have both the model AND the drawing of this particular model in the same session, AND, you do some modeling operation which has Preview, then this NX session will become slower and slower over time, AND that session will "eat" RAM space. , the "Ugraf process" will become bigger and bigger.

In principle, all features has preview, both in create mode as well as edit mode.
It is the "preview function" that "crashes", it only affects the session such that it slows the session. The files are not affected.

This bug is fixed in 12.0.2 MP4

Regards,
Tomas

 

[s_hightower]

Thanks "Tingsryd" and "Toost" for that information. I do really appreciate that. It at least confirms my suspicions. I've been fighting NX 12 and trying to see if it was just me doing something wrong or if some settings needed to just be changed. I figure it's easier to change my actions instead of the computer... but it sounds like it's definitely this build of NX instead.
As far as hardware, I had a HP workstation before and NX12 did awful on it. I now have a new Dell Precision 5820 workstation with 32 GB of RAM. NX is still awful slow.
As far as the measuring dialog, I don't like it but I just work around it. It seems cumbersome and clunky, but I just deal with it. Most of my frustration has to do more with the awful slowness of NX and then dealing with assembly constraints. I thought they were bad in NX 10, but at least they seemed more stable and consistent. NX 12 assembly constraints seem to fail if I just look at the computer to harshly (which unfortunately happens frequently with how slow NX is).
I do appreciate the recommendation to upgrade to the latest MP. Unfortunately, I can't make that decision; but I can at least take your recommendation and send it to IT. I called the helpdesk already and told them about this build, but they said there's no plans to update. Maybe they'll listen after I share your new info with them. We'll see... Thanks

 

[NXsupport]

I was able to do Measure inside of command ( like move objects or move face etc) and when Iam done with measurement, the value used to pop up in the field automatically in NX10..

In NX12, I cannot make it work.. I have MP4 installed , but still does not work..

Any ideas how I can get back this ability?

 

[Tingsryd]

Did you click this button?
Your dialog may look different but the button will look the same in different results windows.

NX 12.0.2
EAP's