NX11 - classical toolbar 17

[SOLIERA]

Generally, this is question directly to John Baker - how to recover classical tollbar layout with NX11?
I know, that Siemens retired possibility switching between ribbon and classical layout, but I belive that exist some tips to allow enable previous one.

Some versions ago was that possibility with Hole Table functions.
To enable Hole Table, if i remember, NX5 or 6 you need add variable UGII_DRAFTING_HOLE_TABLE=1 to ugii_env_ug.dat config file

 

[JohnRBaker]

While you really need to depend on others since I've been retired from Siemens since January and no longer have access to the software (I never asked for nor was I offered a copy of NX), I will answer this question for you, there is NO way "to recover classical toolbar layout with NX 11". This was announced a couple of years ago, that NX 10.0 was going to be the LAST version of NX that would support both the old style (so-called 'classical toolbar') and the new ribbon interface. In other words, there is NO 'classical toolbar' option starting with NX 11.0.

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[Lockdain]

Hello, SOLIERA!
Try to set a new environment variable (in your Windows preferences) UGII_DISPLAY_DEBUG=1 (or edit the ugii_env.dat), then restart your computer and launch NX. Please let me know if it works for you. Use it at your own risk - actually is for internal use only, may lead to unexpected results.

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[frusso110]

How goes your retirement, John? Any interest in doing some consulting for a tremendously big corporation?

Frank

 

[JohnRBaker]

Well retirement is what it is ;-)

As for doing some post retirement consulting, while I've not activity looked for anything, if something were to come along I would certainly give it a look.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[SOLIERA]

Unfortunalelly, nie mam NX11 jeszcze, ale UGII_DISPLAY_DEBUG [/ b] jest bardzo ciekawe!
Czy macie więcej informacji na ten temat?

Wiem wiem:
http: // www. Eng-wskazówki. com / viewthread. cfm? QID = 275727

 

[Lockdain]

SOLIERA,

I didn't ever seen a kind of manual for UGII_DISPLAY_DEBUG, because this feature is for internal use only and doesn't meant to be public. It is interesting to discover, but nothing more, it is better to recommend your users not to use it for your own safety.
Thanks God, google translate knows Polish

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[Felix K. Holloway]

While you could probably jerry-rig the software with some know-how to potentially get you somewhere close to the classic interface, it's totally besides the point.

NX has changed, and your undermining the systems stability when you mess with it like that. When along comes a new update or something, and it conflicts with your innocent tweaks, there is always the potential for something bad to happen that could theoretically cause you a bunch of headache.

I get that it is hard to change, but the ribbon interface is superior in a lot of ways and you should really just accept the fact that things are different now. It won't be that bad of a transition, heck you may even like it MORE than classic .

Felix K. Holloway

http://www.nxprotips.com

 

[HercalloY]

"but the ribbon interface is superior in a lot of ways "

Do you have any evidence of such an assertion? I have yet to see any that presented. In fact, the only reason it was chosen was for marketing purposes and because "the others are doing it and we need to sell copies".

Other then that, its neither here nor there. And frankly, considering it requires more clicks to achieve the same thing (a command activation), then it is, by design, less "superior" as far as i can see.

Unless of course your criteria is aesthetics. Then sure.. it subjectively COULD be more "pretty" then toolbars. But that's still a long bow to draw.

 

[capnhook]

"but the ribbon interface is superior in a lot of ways "

Ha! Somebody's been drinking the Kool-Aid......

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[vegetagaru]

one thing is that you dont know how to work with ribbons other is that ribbons are bad

those 2 are diferent and the second is wrong

ive been loving the ribbon saves-me a lot of time and organization instead of old way


NX8.5 - NX9 User

 

[joycejo]

As a user of NX/UG for 30+ years I have adopted the ribbon and have learned to like it. Once I customized the interface to the way I like it I cannot imagine going backward. As for why they adopted the ribbon: most new users are already accustom to this type of interface.

You can Lead, Follow or get out of the way.


John Joyce
Manufacturing Engineer
Senior Aerospace CT

 

[Toost]

"but the ribbon interface is superior in a lot of ways "
aha, can you give , say, three examples when/what/how is better/ superior ?
I can give a few examples of the opposite.

John Joyce, Note that you had to customize it to get it where you wanted it. And once you have customized it, what is then actually better than before ?
1 click per icon compared to 1 click per icon ?


Regards,
Tomas

 

[SDETERS]

The one thing I can say that is easier is the location of the command finder.

 

[BubbaK]

> "the others are doing it and we need to sell copies"

Well, selling copies of NX is good for everyone, isn't it? If sales decline, then there's less cash to support maintenance and development, fewer companies that can deliver NX data, a smaller community, and, eventually, starvation and death.

Does your company design and produce things? If so, I would guess that you try make your products attractive to potential buyers. If that's not one of your goals, I don't think your company will last very long.

 

[vegetagaru]

ordenates thru my usage saves-me a lot of space grouping and showing me the commands that i used more recently thats good because i switch a bit between modeling and drawing and a lot more xD . name what ribon are worst for you did you personalized it to your day work ?


NX8.5 - NX9 User

 

[HercalloY]

"1 click per icon compared to 1 click per icon"

You forgot the inherent extra click to activate a different TAB. So it’s not one click for one click (i wish). Its 2 for ribbon and only 1 for "The Old Bad inefficient way".




"Well, selling copies of NX is good for everyone, isn't it?"

Nice logical fallacy. But if i was to respond while being in your fantasy land... no, not if you're an existing customer.

Everyone likes to focus on irrelevant hair splitting like as if it justifies the move instead of just admitting why it was really done and that once you get used to it, although it’s not quite as user friendly in some ways, you'll be just as efficient - but with a bit more user frustration due to it being a Ribbon UI – which you’ll soon get used to and forget about. All while these same people never actually showing any evidence of these big efficiencies and benefits.

The facts are it was changed not because its more efficient, it was simply a marketing move. And the last time i checked.... marketing moves rarely have anything to do with End user efficiency or satisfaction and everything to do with the company's own self interests. Which is fine if you want to bring out the old "it’s all about the bottom line" rubbish. Just save us all of the "but google are doing it" & “I’ve got nothing to hide” UN-justifications.

Now anyone can get used to a new UI. But it still doesn’t make it "better" just because its new and most definitely not just because now you've "got used to it". So again, calling someone “not into change” is just another distraction from the fact you have no genuine counter points to share or show.

There is no way its more efficient and i will challenge anyone to show otherwise with any kind of actual fact based points. Because you simply can NOT be more efficient when you have to click twice for the new compared to once for the old.

Now of course having said that, it’s not that inefficient that it’s a massive step backwards to use and SIEMENS has the best Ribbon UI implementation I’ve ever seen because of its extensive customisations that many Ribbon UI’s lack. But it is still a Ribbon UI and it still has the inherent fundamental flaws that this UI type has. And these i freaking hate...

*that forced extra click/action to change TABs that i never needed to do before.
*The unusable/wasted UI space on the right side of a TAB that has not many buttons on it. this is especially annoying now with wide screen monitors as it gets exaggerated even more.
*the limited discover-ability of commands forced on me due to the above points with its limited useable space that limits my ability to put as many commands in a visible area and still not take up much screen real-estate.

 

[capnhook]

Lest we forget.....pre-ribbon.....one-click....

Modeling Toolbar:

Drafting Toolbar:

Manufacturing Toolbar:

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[JohnRBaker]

Want to eliminate any need to even switch toolbars...

Just turn on EVERY SINGLE ICON, that should do it, eh?

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[capnhook]

Absurd.....much like the explanation why.

Have a nice day, mice-clickers.


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