Old Versions of MIL-5 Material Handbook 6

[stresscalcs]

Hi

Does anybody know where older versions of MIL-5 Materials Handbook may be viewed/downloaded?
So far my Googling finds nothing older than version G.

Many thanks for any help.

Richard

 

[rb1957]

my googling "mil hdbk 5" found grantadesignDOTcom with a 5H, everyspecDOTcom with a 5H and a 5J (but that might just be the cancellation notice.

AR MMPDS-01 was identical to mil hdbk 5 ... but maybe you're looking up something old ?

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

 

[tbuelna]

stresscalcs,

Original release of MIL-HDBK-5 (1962) and all subsequent revisions (rev A thru rev J) available for download in .pdf format.

Hope that helps.
Terry

 

[Sparweb]

From time to time, in one chart or another, the data gets updated.
For instance, between Mil-Hdbk-5H and AR-MMPDS-01, the allowable shear strength of a MS20470AD4 rivet went from 388 pounds to 389 pounds.
For some, this earth-shattering news may go over with a whimpering "so what"?
For others, such as folks who have to read old stress reports and wonder "where the heck did that number come from", we have to go back to the old book that was used back in the day, and discover that the allowables for common materials were a little different. Watching the evolution of the documents, it's been interesting to see some things "disappear" as the years go by.

Finding a copy of Mil-Hdbk-5 before revision H is bound to be difficult, because before that time, very few documents were scanned or published electronically for distribution. Because it was the '90s.
I started working on aircraft using Mil-Hdbk-5E, on paper of course, and didn't start referring to an electronic copy until after getting the PDF at "J". So I don't have a PDF that goes that far back either. Sorry.

If you find an engineering office with a paper copy in the library, maybe you can buy it, borrow it, or scan it, otherwise you'll have to cough up the cash for IHS.


STF

 

[stresscalcs]

Hi

Many thanks for the comments/help made by all. The source "IHS Standards Store "of old versions was very helpful. Somebody else must now decide if the costs can be justified.

Yes, the question arises from trying to trace old references.

I actually started when version C was current and European companies had their own paper copies which had to be "purchased".
As the work is US Government "sponsored", I'm surprised that no official free archive exists.

Richard

 

[IRstuff]

Assist is free, but only goes back to H:

http://quicksearch.dla.mil/qsDocDetails.aspx?ident_number=53876

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[Sparweb]

If forgot a truly obvious source: Bruhn copied a lot of material properties from Mil-Hdbk-5 into his book, particularly chapter B1 & B2, but it also appears peppered throughout, such as chapter D. Considering the publication date of ~1962 I'd say this is from the original Mil-Hdbk-5.
There's also data from the precursor ANC-5 in there.

STF

 

[verymadmac]

There is also the Metrification of MIL-HDBK-5C on line

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA093212

 

[verymadmac]

there is also ANC-5 on line

http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/Strength of Metal Aircraft Elements.pdf

 

[israelkk]

verymadmac

Thanks, great finding! I was looking for years for this version. I had it in paper form at work but it was stupidly discarded when the new version came. I like the fatigue life diagrams of this version far beyond the new fatigue life system in the newer versions such as MIL-HDBK-5J.

 

[WKTaylor]

The old HDBKS are absolutely necessary for dealing with alloys/tempers/specs that have disappeared from common usage over time. The data is still valid [with caution]... and is what the designers of that era likey used in their hand calcs.

What is unnerving is when you notice allowables drop significantly due to real-world statistics finally catching-up with original best estimates. And then of course, stress corrosion cracking, corrosion, weldability and fatigue durability numbers are problematic [if not present] in these old documents.

For my work, I [have-to] have access to the ANC-5 (2 versions so-far), all the main MIL-HDBK-5 [Org thru J volumes + most ammendments] and MMPDS-01 thru -08.... plus my company's design manuals and the Aerospace Structural Metals Handbook [ASMH] series.

Curse of working on antique jets.

Anyone have published/unpublished TENSION allowables for flush and protruding head solid rivets???

Regards, Wil Taylor

Trust - But Verify!

We believe to be true what we prefer to be true.

For those who believe, no proof is required; for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible.

Unfortunately, in science what You 'believe' is irrelevant – "Orion"

 

[rb1957]

"Anyone have published/unpublished TENSION allowables for flush and protruding head solid rivets???" McCombs "Supplement to Bruhn", table A20

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

 

[RPstress]

@Wil: a friend of mine is looking for ANC-5 from 1955 (maintenance issue with Oz Hercules). I was able to obtain the 1951 and 1957 editions but couldn't find the 1955 edition. Do you have it?

PS: Some civil engineering (steel) rivet tension/shear data attached. Might be a few clues in there. Plus of course your own posts from 20-Sep-2005 and 05-Oct-2005 (which I took a copy of). (Cherry has blind rivet tension but no solids.) rb1957 is right: McCombs Appendix A table A20 has solid prot head and csk 2117T3 rivets.

 

[WKTaylor]

Where can I find a copy of McCombs "Supplement to Analysis & Design of Flight Vehicle Structures"??? Unfortunately my limited Google search was not successful; and my company's library does NOT appear to have a digital copy.

BTW... I've always wanted independent confirmation of the way I've been forced to calculate rivet tension allowables.

Uhhhhh.... I do have a copies of ANC-5, 1949, 1951, 1955. However, 1955 version was specifically modified/annotated by my company for internal use... and includes a company unique document number and annotations through-out the pages.

Regards, Wil Taylor

Trust - But Verify!

We believe to be true what we prefer to be true.

For those who believe, no proof is required; for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible.

Unfortunately, in science what You 'believe' is irrelevant – "Orion"

 

[rb1957]

i'm not sure about copyright ...

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

 

[Sparweb]

For the truly daring designers, how about some tension data for NAS1097 rivets:

STF

 

[WKTaylor]

Hmmm... I have few odd/dusty stress manuals buired in basement boxes. I wonder if tension info is some of them. The collection includes some "defunct" companies and 30+ YO data that may not present a copywrite problem.

Regards, Wil Taylor

Trust - But Verify!

We believe to be true what we prefer to be true.

For those who believe, no proof is required; for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible.

Unfortunately, in science what You 'believe' is irrelevant – "Orion"

 

[Stache]

I have MIL-HDBK-5J in a PDF format, I can send you a copy or burn it to a CD and mail a copy. Send me a e-mail or notice if you would like a copy.