"Free Energy" reality or aanother "perpetual motion" scam? 2

[jmw]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1859490,00.html

"Dublin-based Steorn challenged the world's 'most qualifi ed and the most cynical' scientists to put its technology, based on magnetic interaction, to the test."
Note: this is not April 1st but then, Christmass has already started in the high street shops.

They claim (

http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx):

"We have developed a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy.

This means never having to recharge your phone, never having to refuel your car. A world with an infinite supply of clean energy for all.

Our technology has been independently validated by engineers and scientists - always off the record, always proven to work."

and see here:

http://www.steorn.net/en/technology.aspx?p=5

So, comments anyone?

JMW

http://www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

[jmw]

PS they claim:
"Steorn’s technology is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy. The technology can be applied to virtually all devices requiring energy, from cellular phones to cars."

JMW

http://www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

[TheTick]

If one had a >100% efficiency machine, one wouldn't need investors.

 

[Skogsgurra]

Newman machine, Raser Technology, Steorn. They seem to come more frequent now when energy is getting dearer. Fatter chances to get some poor fellow on the hook.

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

 

[ajack1]

Well if true it would certainly put sliced bread in second spot.

However as star trek is set in the future it would also mean that the chief engineer was an incompetent Scottish buffoon that is too much. I will remain sceptical.

 

[25362]

The laws of thermodynamics are statistical in essence. Meaning that -at least in theory- they could be contradicted, but this only with a probability [→]zero.

 

[Skogsgurra]

Maxwell's Demon?

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

 

[25362]

Could be, but more like Isaac Asimov's Multivac computer in "The Last Question".

 

[Skogsgurra]

The End is near, then? :-(

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

 

[25362]

Yes, but not because of entropy, rather because of human stupidity. For the mathematics, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument

 

[Skogsgurra]

I see. "People Peak" will come before "Oil Peak". Ergo: No need for new energy. Bad news for Steorn.

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

 

[0707]

We can’t deny something that we don’t know.
But at a given distance one simple magnet can induce a rotation movement to other magnet only by magnetic force.
“In physics, a magnetic field is that part of the electromagnetic field that exists when there is a changing electric field. A changing electric field can be caused by the movement of an electrically charged object, as in an electric current; or a combination of the orbit of an electron around an atom and the spin of electrons themselves, as in a permanent magnet.”
“Steorn’s technology is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy. The technology can be applied to virtually all devices requiring energy, from cellular phones to cars.”
Is it Steorn’s technology the Colombo’s egg or one more web a mystification?

luis

 

[Skogsgurra]

Excuse me for saying so. But “In physics, a magnetic field is that part of the electromagnetic field that exists when there is a changing electric field. A changing electric field can be caused by the movement of an electrically charged object, as in an electric current; or a combination of the orbit of an electron around an atom and the spin of electrons themselves, as in a permanent magnet.” is nothing but a heap of what bulls leave behind if you use it in this context.

The rotation you mention is a one-time movement to bring the magnet plus whatever you have to a state of minimal energy. After that nothing more happens. You could as well refer to a stone dropping to ground. That is also a one-time movement that only releases as much energy as you needed to lift the stone.

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

 

[0707]

If you put a magnet in the door of a refrigerator it will not fall down because the attraction force of the magnet (magnetic force) is stronger than gravitational force.

For you it will be impossible separate two strong magnets
(Magnetic force)

For you, if still young, it will be easy to jump to get an apple from the apple tree
(Gravitational force)

 

[Skogsgurra]

???

Gunnar Englund

http://www.gke.org

 

[zdas04]

I thought the "patent pending" note was interesting. This device comes under the few "unpatentable" categories in the US, Perputual Motion. A device that creates usuable energy with zero energy input would definately meet the definition of "perputual motion" so it is likely to be pending for a while.

Wouldn't this device continually increase the total energy stored in the universe? Maybe we're on our way to the next "big boom"?

David

 

[25362]

http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/museum/unwork.htm#cheng

 

[IRstuff]

They are smarted than that. They've patented what is supposed to be parts of their invention that do not specifically cause perpetual motion. Note that the PTO does not verify whether something actually is a perpetual motion machine. You simply have to tack on something that makes it lose energy and a patent will be pending.

This subject has already been posted in another forum, along with links to their existing patent:
thread238-163098

TTFN

 

[TheTick]

"Patent pending" does not mean:
a.) patent will be granted
b.) invention works

 

[0707]

Just being curious about this subject and after some searching it seems that Steorn´s Technology is a sensionalist story because they don’t explain it.

Any way some physics defend that:

“It is well known that in electric motors one component of the constant magnetic field executes mechanical work while the component normal to it receives electric work, in such a way that the total work of the induced magnetic field is null. Let us take two permanent free magnets. The experience demonstrates that one can speed up the other in a variety of ways and, therefore, we have to accept in this case that the variation of a magnetic field produces work, despite the discomfort that the affirmation cause to us because of the statement which says that the induced magnetic field does not product work. How to solve then this problem?”

Fridge magnets don’t have any source of energy so how do they fight gravity?


"All great truths begin as blasphemies".