Is this where people are trying to save $50 on jobs now?
Contractor said the hanger needs 26 screws per hanger, and there are 62 hangers. Said a box of 25 was 20$+/-
I looked a bit, the one spec'd is 20 or 26 screws/nails depending on load.
The good news is there are many potential projects for you to fix from this guy's previous jobs. Good for business.
Yea, and then a fix for the fix.
Yeah usually outdoor screws are $1 a piece. You can get the regular SDS screws for $.50 a piece or less at Home Cheapo.
That makes a lot more sense.
It's why engineering judgement is so hard to quantify to an average person. Almost any bozo can build houses and there's a really good chance no matter what they do or cheap out on it will never become a real issue. This clown could use thumbtacks in these hangers and it may hold up forever. Well, until it doesn't. And it's our job to figure out which element "it" is and how much care and thought needs to be put into it's design and installation.
I work with a lot of contractors who would take offense to this comment and attribute it to "just another arrogant engineer", who hates to go to the jobsite, doesn't know what he/she is looking at when they get there and provides woefully inadequate details to describe how they want it done. I've read a lot of your posts and I would not put you in that category, but, myself, I appreciate and admire some of the workmanship I see on the projects I observe and I don't mind telling the contractor so. I look at it from the perspective that I cannot build anything. "All" I can do is provide a structural design that is safe and code compliant. Hopefully, my designs have become more constructable over the years, mainly by gathering data I get from the jobsites. Most roof framers know more about geometry than engineers. Crane operators know a LOT more about physics than graduating engineers. It would help if more engineers would put themselves in the contractor's shoes once in a while.
From my experience I'd generally consider this statement to be true. This isn't to say that all builders are "bozos" or that there aren't plenty of great builders. I work with great builders most of the time, but there's certainly no shortage of "builders" who have little regard for structural plans and will quickly hack together a building enclosure that looks acceptable upon completion only for issues to become obvious years later. I have endless examples of projects I've worked on where I think my plans were quite clear and yet the builder wasn't even close. All it takes is a few of those before you start to adopt a negative outlook if you're not careful.
That's fair too. There are plenty of engineers like this. I've seen lots of garbage plan sets from engineers where if I was the builder I'd also be confused and annoyed.
Definitely agree with this. And the opposite is true as well.
