MHasch
Geotechnical
- Feb 17, 2010
- 4
I work for a small subcontractor that installs temporary soldier pile and lag walls. We out source all of our engineering and I believe that the methods our structural engineer is using to size our beams may be overly conservative and preventing us from being competitive.
Item 1: For bending our structural is using 0.6Fy based on ASD. I see FHWA referencing 0.66Fy. I had another engineer tell me that based on the new codes we should be using the Plastic Modulus (Zx).
Item 2: Arching – Our structural engineer is currently neglecting this for the sizing of the beams. I see referenced from Peck suggesting using 2/3 the moment and NAVFAC suggests using 80% of the moment for braced/tieback walls. It is also be neglecting when estimating deflections.
Item 3: When we install tiebacks at steeper angles and apply axial loads our structural engineering is considering the soldier beams unbraced in both directions. It is my thought that the lagging and soil provide bracing along the minor axis.
Item 4: When determining the unbraced length for evaluating axial loads our structural engineer is taking the distance from the lowest tieback to a point below the bottom of the excavation that the bending moment has been dissipated. This seems conservative to me.
Item 5: In several instances we have notched the flange and run our tieback just off center of the soldier pile. Our structural engineer is requiring us to put straps on the soldier piles to prevent torsion and account for the eccentric loading. It is my viewpoint that a lot of this torsion is taken out through friction associated with the flowable fill and soil around the soldier pile. I believe it is more appropriate to only install the straps on an as need basis. When we tension the anchors, if it starts to rotate we will install the straps.
I am interested in how other people are handling these issues and references that I can use to present my case to our structural engineer.
Item 1: For bending our structural is using 0.6Fy based on ASD. I see FHWA referencing 0.66Fy. I had another engineer tell me that based on the new codes we should be using the Plastic Modulus (Zx).
Item 2: Arching – Our structural engineer is currently neglecting this for the sizing of the beams. I see referenced from Peck suggesting using 2/3 the moment and NAVFAC suggests using 80% of the moment for braced/tieback walls. It is also be neglecting when estimating deflections.
Item 3: When we install tiebacks at steeper angles and apply axial loads our structural engineering is considering the soldier beams unbraced in both directions. It is my thought that the lagging and soil provide bracing along the minor axis.
Item 4: When determining the unbraced length for evaluating axial loads our structural engineer is taking the distance from the lowest tieback to a point below the bottom of the excavation that the bending moment has been dissipated. This seems conservative to me.
Item 5: In several instances we have notched the flange and run our tieback just off center of the soldier pile. Our structural engineer is requiring us to put straps on the soldier piles to prevent torsion and account for the eccentric loading. It is my viewpoint that a lot of this torsion is taken out through friction associated with the flowable fill and soil around the soldier pile. I believe it is more appropriate to only install the straps on an as need basis. When we tension the anchors, if it starts to rotate we will install the straps.
I am interested in how other people are handling these issues and references that I can use to present my case to our structural engineer.