SWPPP fee 1

[GreenSystems]

I've been asked to quote a SWPPP for a 1 acre commercial development in Massachusetts. What would representative fees be for such an effort, without the ESC plan component (that's been done already)? I need a sanity check on my T&M estimate. Thank you!

 

[cvg]

depends on your scope of work
are you installing it
maintaining it
inspecting it
urban or rural site?
have you looked at the ESC?
for such a small site, hard to imagine this being very much work.

 

[francesca]

I've had dozens of cookie-cutter SWPPPs get accepted without comment. Then I did one in a county that had 10 building permits processed in the previous 10 months. This was probably the only SWPPP the reviewer saw in years. He went through it with a fine tooth comb. After taking a week to come up with the original (first one with a new company), it took me three days to make his revisions.

SWPPPs are living documents. They are also supposed to dictate the EPSC plans. I would be very careful about trying to make a SWPPP conform to someone else's EPSC plans. What if there's a continuous 10 ac (or 5 ac) drainage basin and there isn't a sediment pond called out? Are you going to try some nifty verbiage or tell the original engineer to redo the EPSC plans? Have you put this coordination time into your cost estimate? How many iterations do you think you and the EPSC engineer (who apparently can't write a SWPPP) will have before the SWPPP is acceptable?

 

[BigH]

BTW, FUOF it would be nice if someone spelled out what SWPPP, EPSC etc are - I don't deal (I think) with this stuff and I wouldn't mind learning something . . .

 

[GreenSystems]

Thank you all. The maintenance, inspection, etc. would be excluded from the Stormwater Pullution Prevention Plan (SWPPP). I do need to figure out how to fit the existing Erosion and Sediment Control (ESC) plan into the mix. For now, I am going to have to go the verbiage route, and state that the SWPPP may not end up being compatible with the ESC plan and the client will have to figure out how to reconcile them. So, assuming that extensive review and comment won't be necessary, what would representative fees be?

 

[BigH]

Thanks!-

 

[cvg]

From my experience, this stuff is generally boilerplate type stuff that gets tailored to each individual project. So if you already have the boilerplate, than not a lot of effort. A couple days of your time unless you get Francesca's reviewer...

 

[cvg]

FUOF?

 

[GreenSystems]

I wondered about that (FUOF) myself.

 

[Dozerman56]

I need to chime in on this one. Guys, the erosion control inspectors take what you put in these plans as gospel and enforce it to the letter. When the plan says 'construct temporary erosion control measures first then start clearing balance of site' that's what we do. I've seen it happen (more than once) that a 30,000 CY basin had to be excavated and hauled off site. Then later in the process that material had to be hauled back to the site to finish grading the job. Cost to the owner? On the order of $500,000.00. Please consider the impact on construction of your SWPPP.

 

[Ron]

For Us Old Farts

 

[cvg]

thats why we typically have the contractor prepare the plan