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The case for paperless office workflow 3

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milkshakelake

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Jul 15, 2013
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I'll make the case for a paperless office workflow!

I've been using this setup for 2 years and haven't looked back. All of this hinges on having a display tablet, not to be confused with a regular drawing tablet because those suck. To be clear, I don't advocate paperless outside the office; I still use pen and paper for site visits and meetings. I'm also not describing a note taking device; that's covered in detail in the threads below, but can easily complement the workflow I'm presenting. Feel free to poke holes in any of this! It's just for fun.

There have been a few threads on the subject:


1. You get a clean workspace, which increases clarity of mind and productivity

This is my home office. Real office is similar, but with more monitors. I didn't clean it up; this is in the middle of work. Enough space for my protein shake, super cool rock, and cold water. Display tablet is on the right.

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Before I went paperless and was working for someone else, the office looked something like this. It's not an exaggeration; the reality was worse. There were also bookcases, shelves, and repurposed furniture just to hold drawings and binders.

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2. You don't have to look through millions of pieces of paper to find a calculation

Calculations are organized into electronic folders. It beats walking to a bookcase, finding the right binder, and flipping to the right page of calculations.

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3. With a tablet display and Excel, it's faster and easier to make calculations

Instead of printing and annotating an engineering drawing for a calculation, you could take a screenshot and mark it up. This works seamlessly in Excel, which has built-in drawing tools.

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You can incorporate markups like you would with paper calculations, along with math. Some advantages over paper include being able to easily modify numbers (and have them propagate through calculations), move things around like sketches, and work on an infinite canvas. Should you need it, you also have the power of VBA programming at your fingertips. This is better than paper.

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I didn't make any attempt to make these look nice or easy to follow. But should it need to be submitted to an official, it can be made to look more professional. It's the same thing with paper.


4. You can incorporate results from other programs in the same file

This one is not a 100% slam dunk. Microsoft Office isn't quite there yet when it comes to integrating Word, Excel, and PDFs. But it is possible, though quite janky. But on paper? You have to print out the results and lose the order. In Excel, you can paste a PDF on a separate sheet, even multiple sheets, and it will retain the order. I've done 60 page long calculations by doing this in one Excel file. (If you're using SMath or something else, this argument falls apart a bit.)

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5. Sketches? Yeaa boii

Some engineers like to have a notebook full of sketches, calculations, and random thoughts. Use OneNote or Krita. OneNote can save stuff in a hierarchical fashion and have different workbooks, chapters, and sheets. I personally don't work like this and I save everything to a specific place, but I created a quick notebook to demonstrate this.

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As a plus, you can take a screenshot of anything you want to mark up, like a dimension or changes to a detail, and shoot it off to a client or coworker or employee. I have one remote drafter and 100% of our communications are done with paperless markups on pdf's. So the advantages go well and far beyond calculations. The caveat is with engineering drawings, even with a big display, you have to zoom in and out quite a bit. My work office has a fancier display tablet with programmable knobs and controls for that, which makes it less onerous.


6. You can carry your calculations everywhere

This is definitely not possible with paper, unless you scan and organize everything. I have my server hooked up to a Onedrive and Goodsync cloud mirror, which I can access with my phone. I can pull up Excel calculations and pdf's anywhere I go. It's been useful in a few cases where I was at a meeting and didn't have a certain calculation or drawing on hand, and didn't have to call back to the office to have it sent. It takes some practice and getting used to, but it doubles as a neat trick in a meeting.


Now, to address concerns!

Doesn't feel as good as paper
I agree, but it's pretty damn close. An engineer I know was forced to use a display tablet over a decade ago and she hated it. She tried my display and said it's so good, it's like night and day. The technology is refined, and will only get better.

It's not precise and/or it's clumsy
That's because your tablet is too small! I use a 24" tablet with 2K resolution. I tried Microsoft Surface and iPad, and those are too small to use effectively. I do NOT recommend going the laptop or handheld tablet route; I need a beastly, non-portable monster tablet. With a big enough display, you don't have to zoom in and out. If you have the desk space and budget, I recommend going even bigger. (It's just my two cents; some people have had success with laptops.)

Use paper and scan it!
Nah, this is superior. It saves the step where you print something out, mark it up, go back to scan it, and save it in the right place. Those seconds add up. Plus, electronically, everything has an infinite canvas and things can be moved around.

I don't want to pay for subscriptions!
Microsoft Office is the only subscription service used here that's different from a paper setup. Cloud services for carrying your calculations around are optional, and it can be self hosted with free open source apps like Nextcloud (it's a bit more advanced and needs Linux).
 
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It's interesting that you use a remote computer for heavy lifting. The reason I don't do that is because the time it takes to transfer a file to the remote computer, run it, and send it back adds a bunch of overhead and complexity. What tools did you use for this? Windows Remote Desktop?

Yup good old Remote Desktop, nothing fancy. In my case the "remote" desktop box sat on my office desk so I had easy access and could transfer files directly but rarely needed to. Generally I did design on the desktop and presentations/PM work on the laptop. Larger employers also had various clusters dedicated to heavy analysis that I could remote into but rarely did bc I had the desktop. Larger automotive programs also often have many engineers working across multiple servers so getting the daily update from separate powertrain, body, chassis, and design studio servers could be a networking nightmare at times and kill productivity without the second machine.
 
Neat description of your workflow @MSL.

My paper use is strictly as a tracking record and out of necessity (I don't currently run a tablet). I'll bang out a quick checklist, apply a date and name stamp, and then track my design progress until complete. Those notes are then scanned in and compiled with any of the PDF results I have. Certainly some time saving issues could be had if I used 100% digital notepad, and that is hopefully in the works.

I do like the paper tracking record and paper markups, as these kind of legitimize the self-checking steps that I complete as a solo operation. But maybe that is only in my head.

If I did bigger projects, I'd probably be in the digital only workflow.
 
Cetl83 said:
Now that Bluebeam has gone to a subscription model I have found DrawBoard to be a serviceable replacement which still maintains a “sessions” like environment.

Bluebeam going subscription is a total PITA...unfortunately its considered so standard here at my company and those we work with that we'll never switch off and have to eat the subscription cost

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MSL -- look at Bluebeam again. With your philosophy of having the best tools for the work, leaving Bluebeam out is a major gap in your productivity toolbox, particularly for paperless work, and particularly using Sessions for collaboration.

100%, we sort of ignored studio for far too long and kind of fell into using a few months ago due to a nightmare massive project where prior arrangements just lead to markups being missed, lost or not being checked after drawings when completed.

It would be hard to go back, everyone in the design team loves it (engineers and drafters). It's not perfect, we seem to have all sorts of issues with permissions in sessions, and no more layers is annoying, and not being able to edit others markups to correct or amend equally annoying sometimes. But the ability to tag people and control status makes it a really clear process that's much better than some bastardised email/server/teams/document management system approach we were struggling with before.

If work wasn't providing it, I'd pay for it myself.

We've already worked with a paperless office mentality for many years. I can't even recall the last time I printed anything, maybe 2+ years ago....

 
milkshakelake, does it get hot underhand. That's one thing I hate about my surface on hot days. Feels like it's going to melt the flesh off your hand if you're working it hard!

What do the little dial things do on the short edges? What can you set them up to do?

Does it have good palm rejection, I'd see myself using it laid as flat as possible, but it doesn't look like it goes that flat? In the as far as it goes flat configuration, does it feel solid or flimsy. That stand doesn't look that great from the pictures, but nothing like a first hand opinion.

I think the discussion around 1080p or 2k, and saying there is no difference must be from someone whose never really experienced how much better higher resolution displays are on the eyes. At work I have two 24ish" 1080p displays plus Microsoft surface screen, at home two 27" 4k displays plus surface screen, 8 times the desktop real estate. Work screen drives me nuts some days when working on too many things at once and the subpar resolution wrecking my eyes.

 
Agent666, 1080P and 4K are very different and I love my 4K TV and monitors. 1080p and 2K? Less so. And if all I'm doing is writing notes on it... not really worth $400. At least not for me right now.

I still have a perpetual BB license, so I can't speak to the subscription. But I will agree that trying to save money by not using it is probably losing you money. I went with Adobe at first for that reason. It's a great general purpose PDF program, but for an AEC work flow it didn't tough BB for ease of use, tailored productivity tools, and wide feature set.

 
@skeletron We use paper checklists, which are discarded after the work. I never thought about saving them; that's a good idea. About project management, I haven't figured out a solution yet. Figuring out who's working on what, and how far they are, is a bit of a mess. I'll have to set aside a few days to try some open source project management solutions. People track their own projects on a self-hosted server app (link), which isn't ideal because it's isolated per user.

@Agent666 Yeah, I'll definitely have to revisit Bluebeam. No, it doesn't got hot; Surface has its own CPU and motherboard, whereas this is a monitor. The surface is less hot than a monitor because it has more surface padding out of necessity. The dials can be configured for zoom (a must), scrolling, brush size, rotation, and can't remember what else, and can be configured to switch functions with a different button. The buttons can be configured with key inputs. I use them for page up/down, space (for drag scrolling with the pen), save, undo/redo, pen/eraser switching, and opening various folders and programs (Google Drive, project folders, downloads, etc). It's more convenient than having one hand on the keyboard. The buttons don't natively support opening folders, but it's kind of easy to set up with some scripts. Celt83 mentioned macro keyboards which serve a similar purpose (which I also own), but I prefer having them on the monitor itself and use post-it notes next to each one to describe the function.

It goes almost flat (about 20 degrees). I use it as a second/third monitor so I keep it close to vertical, which actually doesn't hurt using AutoCAD/ETABS but takes some getting used to for writing. Most people use it around 30-45 degrees. The stand is surprisingly strong and there's no movement or shakiness when using it at all. It's heavier and sturdier than a monitor. It doesn't need palm rejection because it doesn't respond to touches; the more expensive Wacom Cintiq 24 has that feature, but I can't think of why I'd use finger touch. I think 2K is worth it, 4K is preferable (costs 3x as much and only offered by Wacom at the moment, and probably is only worth it to an artist), and 1080 would be too low for intensive daily use because it's close to the eyes. For taking quick notes, 1080 should be fine. One minor drawback is parallax (i.e. the writing surface is ~1 millimeter away from the display surface) so it's only accurate when you're looking straight into it, but that's easy to get used to and is the same on a Surface/iPad.
 
So this big artist tablet is intriguing. I’m starting to think it would be useful for making 2D line art and illustrations (rather than on paper and scanning those in). Does anyone have recommendations for (free or low one time cost) line art sketching software? I don’t think I need fancy painting, photo editing, 3D CAD, etc. Thanks.
 
Depends on what you want. Microsoft Whiteboard is free and native in Windows 10/11 and has basic drawing, sketching tools.
 
I’m thinking of making illustrations for a book. I detest Powerpoint. Have used Visio in the past for simple drawings. Looking for something a bit more free form. It’s tempting to dig out the old drafting board and ink pens (they are somewhere in the pile of stuff in this house) but that’s not ideal either.

Thanks, I’ll check out the above suggestions.
 
For a book I would go with InkScape since it is vector graphics. Krita has some vector capabilities but is geared more towards raster drawing.
 
I have been trying to go paperless here at my job. We have so many people here that have been here 30-40 years, they refuse to change. Frustrating.

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@SWComposites +1 recommendation for Krita and Inkscape, which are free. Both can, and are used for, artistic art, but Inkscape is more suited for technical art. I've personally used the tablet for lots of art (3D modeling and painting, games) but it wasn't relevant to the post. Back in college, I wanted to drop out of engineering and become an artist...good thing I didn't throw my future away.

@ctopher Yeah, I have a similar issue at my office. You can only change yourself. I think the day I stop changing and adapting, I'll be on my deathbed.
 
Out of curiousity, has anyone seriously tried to use CAD with grid and snapping on, in conjunction with a pen interface? I'm curious if that might actually be a good workflow. I lean heavily on typed input for CAD work, so I don't think it's for me, but I suspect there's a way to set up tool pallets and maybe a macro keyboard for your left hand that makes this a reasonable possibility.

Honestly just curious if anyone's tried it.
 
In some regards in can allow for better precision since the drawing surface is mapped 1:1 to the display.

It's a bit like working with one of the old digitizers:
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Out of curiousity, has anyone seriously tried to use CAD with grid and snapping on, in conjunction with a pen interface?

Not for CAD, per se; I've used Visio with grid and snap and HATE IT, it RARELY snaps to where you want, because there are SO MANY enticing snap targets all around. I invariably have to turn it off to be productive. I suppose if the CAD app has some sort of heat map adjustment to soften the snap, it might be practical; it might also have something to do with the snappable objects, a purely vector-based app might allow clean snaps to vertices and edges. Visio just seems to snap to anything that's remotely close to the cursor.

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@TLHS It's a big nope. AutoCAD's support for pen tablet functionality is laughably bad. It doesn't register very basic things correctly like when the pen is pressed down or not, or where it is on the screen. Complicated 3D modeling software have managed to integrate it correctly and add value, but not AutoCAD.
 
I used a Kurta tablet for years about 12x18 size with a 12 button puck... it was great and very productive.

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Celt, did you ever use a digitizer like that? There was one in our office when I first started, but it was no longer setup then. I started with Autocad R12. Pen plotters, and sticky backs, those were the days.

MSL, I am interested to here your organization method for files within your sub-folders. I have been using an analysis directory with sub-folders for each software package for some time now. I have never devised a good method for file names so I can find things easily in the future unless I print everything out and put into a binder. Every project seems to start on one path that involves prelim work, and then any number of revisions thereafter. My folders always seem to involve clicking on lots of files to find what I need.

Bluebeam is the one package I open daily. If they improve the API documentation some of our savvy programmers could make it far more useful for many daily tasks.
 
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