dold
Structural
- Aug 19, 2015
- 613
I have a 3-sided prefab roof screen to accompany new RTUs (see attached pdf sketch) which will replace existing RTUs
Haven't been able to find any threads about this particular situation - some similar questions about shielding, but I think this warrants a new thread..
How does the wind act on the shielded screenwall in the north/south wind scenario(see sketch), and the SE/NE oblique?
For the sake of time I'm inclined to just design for a standalone wall (rooftop equip/structure/appurt.) and double it for reactions at base of the RTU, even though 150% still sounds conservative. I'm looking for loads on my framing/curb holddown - not the screen design. This is obviously overkill but quite frankly "sake of time - not money" is a client-based prerogative. Don't worry...i'm off the clock.
I'm good with my wind loads on single surface/standalone RTU (ignore seismic for now), but how does the air flow behave?(see sketch for geometry of screens) I've read rules of thumb that say 'around 1.5 to 2.0*Height_of_Screen', the flow will re-form/re-join/un-separate and around that limit one should consider full 'exposure' again. When does that apply: 4-sides, 3-sides, 2-parts? And if that's the case, wouldn't the windspeed affect the change in y-axis(vertical) velocity in a 2-D cut of the wall? 'Angle of refraction' of the flow as the flow passes the edges of surface seems like an good analog.
Rationally it almost seems like there would be an eddy creating a net negative pressure inside the volume of the 3-sided structure (even more-so with 4-sided(?)) considering this particular geometry, but perhaps the screens would need to be a little taller for a net neg-pressure to develop? And that theory would only apply to a gust normal to the north/west/south faces, particularly at higher windspeeds. And when we're talking about windspeed - as opposed to wind pressure - we are considering how windspeed will affect the behavior of the flow around the surface, i.e. how much wind hits the shielded wall at a given distance/separation, which in turn will effect some +/- pressure inside the volume. Lets just leave that theory as a topic of discussion - back to the question.
Are there any studies/threads/links/codes/commentaries that I cant find talking about this? I'd like to whittle down my calcs a little bit from ham-hand status. Has anyone really dug into this before? Links to old threads?
Otherwise what sort of thoughts do yall have? Other than "contact supplier"?
Thanks!
Haven't been able to find any threads about this particular situation - some similar questions about shielding, but I think this warrants a new thread..
How does the wind act on the shielded screenwall in the north/south wind scenario(see sketch), and the SE/NE oblique?
For the sake of time I'm inclined to just design for a standalone wall (rooftop equip/structure/appurt.) and double it for reactions at base of the RTU, even though 150% still sounds conservative. I'm looking for loads on my framing/curb holddown - not the screen design. This is obviously overkill but quite frankly "sake of time - not money" is a client-based prerogative. Don't worry...i'm off the clock.
I'm good with my wind loads on single surface/standalone RTU (ignore seismic for now), but how does the air flow behave?(see sketch for geometry of screens) I've read rules of thumb that say 'around 1.5 to 2.0*Height_of_Screen', the flow will re-form/re-join/un-separate and around that limit one should consider full 'exposure' again. When does that apply: 4-sides, 3-sides, 2-parts? And if that's the case, wouldn't the windspeed affect the change in y-axis(vertical) velocity in a 2-D cut of the wall? 'Angle of refraction' of the flow as the flow passes the edges of surface seems like an good analog.
Rationally it almost seems like there would be an eddy creating a net negative pressure inside the volume of the 3-sided structure (even more-so with 4-sided(?)) considering this particular geometry, but perhaps the screens would need to be a little taller for a net neg-pressure to develop? And that theory would only apply to a gust normal to the north/west/south faces, particularly at higher windspeeds. And when we're talking about windspeed - as opposed to wind pressure - we are considering how windspeed will affect the behavior of the flow around the surface, i.e. how much wind hits the shielded wall at a given distance/separation, which in turn will effect some +/- pressure inside the volume. Lets just leave that theory as a topic of discussion - back to the question.
Are there any studies/threads/links/codes/commentaries that I cant find talking about this? I'd like to whittle down my calcs a little bit from ham-hand status. Has anyone really dug into this before? Links to old threads?
Otherwise what sort of thoughts do yall have? Other than "contact supplier"?
Thanks!