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Tourist submersible visiting the Titanic is missing Part 2 69

I think it was not knowing what he didn't know that did in Rush.
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He really didn't have to know much; his whole contention rested on the fact that almost all accidents were the result of operator error, but he only needed to think about WHY that was. If all were due to operator error, then the testing/certification was what got us to that point; while correlation is not necessarily causation, it's certainly something that has to be considered, even if you know nothing about the testing/certification.

I don't know much about the testing/certification, but I certainly recognize that it's at worst overly stringent by some statistical factor, so at best I could hope for is to nudge that factor down, not ignore it altogether.

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And bear in mind that testing to failure is expensive; Rush would have had to build at least 3 additional hulls to gain even a modicum of confidence in the results; if they failed, then it would have been even more expensive, since that would entail redesign, and even more testing. He saw that extra cost as unnecessary, since that's a cost barrier to entry, but he saw that as a form of stifling competition, and not as being prudent.

As engineers, we have to constantly question our motives and assumptions, because those, and just plain bad engineering, are what gets us into trouble.

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It's been awhile, but this item just popped-up:

'What Could Go Wrong?': Audio Shows OceanGate CEO Joke Before Titan Sub Implosion

A resurfaced clip features the deep sea exploration company's co-founder, who died along with four others as they sought to visit the Titanic wreck.


An excerpt from the above item:

OceanGate CEO and co-founder Stockton Rush joked “what could go wrong” months ahead of the deadly Titan submersible implosion last year, according to a newly-resurfaced audio clip from a documentary on the disaster.

The clip –– shared by the New York Post –– comes from an April 2023 radio interview about the mission to the Titanic wreck, just two months before Rush along with four others died in the disaster.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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Yes, they showed this in the British Channel 5 documentary, “Minute by Minute: The Titan Sub Disaster documentary that aired last night and tonight. I spent too much time last night trying to find apps on my TV like BritBox that would play Channel 5, as it is impossible to get outside of UK without an app, but you have to pay for all these apps. IF anyone can find a link to this documentary online, let u know.
 
Just watched this and didn't add much more knowledge apart from one thing.

I looked up more information on Hamish Harding and it turned out I knew him 35 yyrs ago when at 24, he flew 5 of us in a small twin engined plane into what was then semi communist Poland to jump out of various flying machines, mainly helicopters, but also fast jets, gliders and hot air balloons. Lost touch with him a couple of years later. Amazing to realise that.

Has they been any further official reports?



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I'd hesitate to pass judgement on Larry Connor's effort.

He's completed 3 dives to the Marianas Trench, and is paying an industry leader to build, test, and certify the sub (Triton).

He's going about it the right way, at least up to this point. He's not claiming to be a genius engineer that can do it better than everyone else the way Rush did.
 
Nice glossy website alright.
acrylic globe!

not much about certification other than it is "commercially certified" whatever that means...

apparently they "intend" to have it classified by an external body.



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All Triton submersibles to this point have been certified by DNV. Including their 36000/2 model which is certified by DNV for operation at full ocean depth, was used to complete the 5 Deeps expedition without incident, has taken people to Challenger Deep multiple times, etc.

I get that because of Stockton Rush there is skepticism surrounding 'billionaire wants to build sub for titanic' but Triton is a legitimate company that is highly successful and has been building commercials submarines for like 25 years.

Rush's approach and what Larry Connor says he's going to do are apples and oranges.
 
The first comment sums it up, "My prediction: The Titanic isn't done claiming the lives of rich people who should know better."

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Let's face they still get in helicopters.
 
Triton is quite literally in a different class than Oceangate, that's all that needs to be said.

Since the vehicle is seen only in computer renderings thus far, I had wondered if anyone actually intended to place an order for one.... I suppose we now know.

The idea of that giant acrylic bubble standing in for Alvin's no-expense spared titanium sphere with its small viewports is quite astonishing and I would love to know what just that component alone cost to build and certify.

Good to see some activity on this thread.
 
I thought of lighting a candle. Then a puff of air blew the idea out of my head. [yinyang]
 
I've seen a few articles about how he wants to prove the Titanic can be explored safely in a manned sub. Well, it's already been done many, many times so there is not much to prove.
 
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