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Uncommon "soft" bolted joint 2

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eli28

Aerospace
Oct 20, 2019
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Hello everybody,
I have a bolted joint that is not common - one of the clamped members is made of ULTEM 1000.
Here is an illustration on the simplified clamped joint I tried to analyze:
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In most cases we tend to use a joint in which its stiffness (Km) is larger by far than the bolt's stiffness (Kb).
It leads to the situation that in service bolt "feels" mainly the initial clamping force (Preload), Fi, and a small portion of the external load. This portion is determined by the relative stiffness Coefficient C=Kb/(Kb+Km) by the relation P_bolt=C*P, While P is the external exerted load and P_bolt is the relative part the bolt carries. In the typical cases of clamping steel members, it equals to C~0.8, and hence the entire force the bolt "feels" in service is Fi+C*P.
In my case the mutual stiffness of the clamped members is rather low thanks to the the ULTEM 1000 plate.
The preload in my case is 1500N and the external load P=780N.
I calculated and found that C~0.9, what means that the bolt is the main carrier of the external force, P, and that the clamped members should not "feel" a meaningful change in the initial clamping force, Fi, through Service.
I found that the bolt axial tensile force Fb=2200N and the clamped plates compression force Fm=-1430N.
I also checked in the literature that it makes sense and here you can see the right graph in which it shows the case like mine in which there is a "soft joint":
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I was quite sure I am OK and predict fine what might be, but when I used the simulation to approve my prediction I was surprised to see that the opposite happened and that the members are the ones to take most of the external load like in the traditional case of clamping stiff steel plates.
What can you say about it?! Can someone verify in his own simulation tool what might happen?
Here is how I described the simplified problem in the simulation:
*pay attention that the upper (ULTEM 1000) member has a uniformly distributed force – a total of 780N.
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(For a given strain, the stress will reduce over time).


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Hey Pud
You are right and creep is a real problem in real life, and I plan to stay below a limited level of strain for minimizing this phenomenon.
But it shouldn't affect the calculation and analysis that ignore it.
 
Not sure what is uncommon about your joint, clamping soft materials for damping is extremely common. Usually the major concern/analysis is locally yielding the soft material immediately under the fasteners' bearing/washer area, sizing the fastener and material geometry otherwise for the load is simple by comparison.
 
You've basically got a soft washer in a bolted joint. Given the small bearing area and depth of the washer it is going to be great fun getting enough preload into the bolt for a good joint. A large steel washer under the nut will help.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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Belleville springs or something of the like would help compensate for creep over time. I don't know of any other type of lock washer that would be beneficial here.
 
If you google 'spring washer' you'll get many brilliant rants about them, none positive. If you've done the bolt science course they don't even get a mention in the analysis of joints bit. By the time they start to work your bolted joint is in the first stage of failure, it has lost preload.

Money quote:
"... a rationalisation of the variety of locking devices used by such major companies has occurred. For example, conventional spring lock washers are no longer specified, because it has been shown that they actually aid self loosening rather than prevent it. There are a multitude of thread locking devices available. Through the efforts of the American National Standards Subcommittee B18:20 on locking fasteners, three basic locking fastener categories have been established. They are: free spinning, friction locking, and chemical locking."



Cheers

Greg Locock


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Good find. Are Nordlocks more appropriate for stiff joints under vibration? I can imagine an oscillating axial load and a soft joint (for example) being a case where Nordlocks are less appropriate, as the wedges could jump.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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Thanks for the additional tips.
But I feel we didn't have any conclusion regarding the External Load Partition between the bolt and the joint.
Can someone help by simulating it? calculating it? [bigsmile]
I must know why there is such a big difference (Calculations vs Analysis)
 
what loads are the bolted joints expected to endure?

There is no gasket or sealer indicated, so I'm guessing reasonable clamping between fasteners is not on the list of design criteria, yet.

Is this an observation window, or maybe even "signage" , so fastener loosening "just because" is the concern?

Or something more structural?
 
GregLocock, maybe you missed that it's written on the lower plate "fixed"?
 
That's the point - according to several analysis the force is preload + only 10% of the external load.
 
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