US Government Climate Change Report says damage is intensifying across the country 12

[RVAmeche]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...country/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9a92a0b96e03

The latest report commissioned by the US government (under the Trump administration) re-affirms the scientific consensus that climate change is happening and will inevitably affect the US, its infrastructure, and its economy. Inauspiciously released on Black Friday, the report is another warning bell that we need to move quickly and decisively to minimize the impending impacts.

 

[SnTMan]

Well, really, you'd hardly expect them to say anything else

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[RVAmeche]

I agree; it's what happens when everyone agrees on a topic. It'll still be interesting to see how codes and standards are updated to incorporate new wind/flood/etc data in the coming years as the magnitude of the damage becomes more clear.

 

[hokie66]

I have seen at least one press report that describes this as a "White House report". I don't think so.

 

[RVAmeche]

I believe it's similar to the report last year. The Trump admin commissioned a report on climate change and (much to their chagrin) it corroborates the scientific consensus that it's happening and will have negative impacts.

 

[GregLocock]

Yet the number of Cat 1 to 4 hurricanes making landfall has been generally falling since about 1960. The problem that the report no doubt glosses over is that there are more people living in hurricane prone areas and they have more stuff.

data

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/E23.html

graph 30 year simple moving average to the date shown, Cat1+ is top line cat2+ is the next one and so on down to Cat5+

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[FoxRox]

Right or wrong, I think the theory of ever-worsening weather due to ACC does more damage to the cause than anything else. Every time there's a storm or drought bad enough to make national news, the same ignorant pundits are on the news spouting the same shallow narrative that they can't even explain. It's the boy who cried wolf ad infinitum. The credibility is non-existent. It's true that people tend to live in the now, but memories include more than the last week. Only an extraordinarily irrational person will be convinced of a global crisis based on one weather event. There are credible arguments to be made. They should make them. Abandon the threats of worse weather. We won't even know if the theory is valid for 50 years. Evidence so far is not convincing, but it's still somehow reported as an irrefutable fact. It's this hyperbole, blind belief in unproven theories, and total abandonment of logic that make it easy to breed and maintain skepticism.

 

[SnTMan]

And never a single benefit due to the warming climate change stated either...

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[hokie66]

Most of us engineers, and most adults in general, can make up our own minds about climate change, the causes and consequences. What I find alarming is the brainwashing of the young which is taking place in schools, from primary to tertiary. Young impressionable minds are being filled with the politically correct religion of global warming. They are being taught that fossil fuels are evil, and that the use of same should cease immediately.

 

[awhicker84]

You can't make up your own mind on a topic you aren't trained in / have no knowledge of!!

Imagine if you were in your college materials engineering class again and you told the professor that the textbook was full of trash. Wouldn't that be arrogant? To claim an entire field you know nothing about (as a student) is totally wrong and made up by kooks. Yet science is overwhelmingly telling you that anthropogenic climate change is happening and people are 'deciding for themselves' whether or not it is happening. It's extremely arrogant. It blows my mind.

If 97% of doctors believed that exercise was good for you, would be suspicious? Would you listen to the other 3%? What if you found out the other 3% were paid for by Netflix? Would you still 'believe' the 3% over the 97%?

Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. Not believing in anthropogenic climate change is a conspiracy theory.

 

[IRstuff]

Nevertheless, there are possibly up to 16% of the US population that are unwilling to get their children vaccinated, in a situation which puts many children in mortal danger:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...actually-anti-vaxxers/?utm_term=.5edd0e19edc9

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[rb1957]

"You can't make up your own mind on a topic you aren't trained in / have no knowledge of!!".

Sorry, but we can all have opinions. Possibly the "smarter" amongst us recongnise that we have limited knowledge and so the opinion is less well defendable than those few areas in life where we feel we are reasonably expert of have informed opinions. Possibly these also try to expand their knowledge, gathering opinions from both sides of the debate.



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[GregLocock]

Monkeys are trained. Engineers teach themselves.

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[hokie66]

Arrogance is not reserved for one side of the climate change discussions...obviously.

 

[RVAmeche]

The difference is yes, everyone can have opinions but that doesn't mean every opinion carries the same merit in a technical discussion. Like awhicker said, the people who actually study the subject are infinitely more qualified than the layperson, politician, or engineer not dedicated to environmental or climate studies.

 

[rb1957]

so we, the less informed, should accept whatever they say ?

and what of the contrary positions posed by other learned folks ?

oh, that's right, there's a consensus amongst "informed" opinion,
and every contrary opinion is "wrong".

yep, progress lies that way ...

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[Parishsouth]

Global geoengineering/weather warfare/biological warfare programs are the greatest and most immediate threat currently faced by the human race short of nuclear cataclysm (a threat that climate engineering is also exacerbating by making Earth more vulnerable to solar flares, electric grid shutdown, and thus nuclear meltdown). The ongoing weather warfare assault is completely derailing the planet's climate systems, completely contaminating our air (all precipitation), our soils and waters. Geoengineering is also shredding the ozone layer. No ozone layer, no terrestrial life on Earth. From countless directions climate engineering is pushing the human race and all life on Earth toward mathematically certain near term total extinction. The greatest single leap we could take toward changing our current course of biosphere implosion is to expose and halt the geoengineering insanity.
One only has to look away from the phone for a second and look up. Solar Radiation Management programs and aerosol dispersing are alive and well. The latest goal and figures reported by the folks that spearhead these programs, are 20mm tons of nano particulates per year. Thats Aluminum, Barrium and strontium.
there are patents that exist for the application. the watch dog over these practices can be found at

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

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[RVAmeche]

Everyone who studies this agrees. Just because we're engineers and technical people doesn't mean we're experts in climate change. As a mechanical engineer, I defer to electrical engineers when appropriate. The same concept applies here.

If you're an expert on climate modeling and climate history, please publish a report to the contrary of every other climate change report. The scientific world would love to learn that the outlook isn't as bleak as it appears.

You can pontificate all you want, but the only people who have a contrary opinion are un-informed. There's no conspiracy to coverup anti-climate change reports, just like the earth isn't flat and vaccinations do work. Just because we're technical, intelligent people doesn't mean we (as engineers) fully understand how vaccines work. The same concept applies to climate change.

 

[rb1957]

"Everyone who studies this agrees." ... I don't think that is correct.

One of the issues is that there are (correctly IMHO) experts who disagree (at least question) with the ACC premise.

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[RVAmeche]

Define expert? As of now, 97% of climate scientists agree. There is not a single scientific body/group that disagrees. If you're referring to the random physicists, geologists, and other scientists who don't agree...frankly, they're not qualified.

Do we avoid using GPS because athletes believe the earth is flat? Of course not. That's hyperbole, but you get the idea.