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Vc=0 and probable moments & shear strengths 2

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howarts

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Dec 26, 2016
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From Mcgregor's "Reinforced Concrete Mechanics and Design 6E"

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If you are familiar with the concept, jump to the bottom questions:

(briefing quoting Mcgregor)
"When the frame is displaced laterally through the inelastic deformations required to
develop the ductility of the structure, the reinforcement at the ends of the beam will yield
unless the moment strength is several times the moment due to seismic loads. The yielding
of the reinforcement sets an upper limit on the moments that can be developed at the ends
of the beam. The design shear forces, Ve are based on the shears due to factored dead and live loads (Fig. 19-19c) plus the shears due to hinging at the two ends of the beam for the
frame swaying to the right or to the left, as shown in Fig. 19-19a. Mpr is the probable
moment strength of the members, based on the dimensions and reinforcement at the joint
and assuming a tensile strength of 1.25 fy and alpha=1.0. For a rectangular beam without
axial loads, ACI Code Section 21.5.4.1 requires that beams be designed for the sum of
Vsway = (Mpr1 + Mpr2) / ln
Vg = wu ln / 2
Ve = Vg + Vsway"

It is stated that Vc shall be taken equal to zero if (a) the shear Vsway due to plastic hinging at the two ends of the beam exceeds half or more of the maximum shear Vu, within the span

Let say your Vsway = 88 kips (yeah Vsway is really huge)
Your Vg (1.2 LL + 1.6 DL) or shear from factored gravity load = 87kips
When Vsway is equal or more than Vg then you need to set Vc= 0
But here's the dilemma. If you add 2 kips to the Vg, then Vsway is less than Vg, and Vc=0 is no longer required.
There is a big difference in the beam to accomodate Vc=0. This means you need to design stirrups that will take on the entire Ve without any contribution from the Vc shear capacity of concrete. This would cause increase in section sizes as well as bigger diameter stirrups (can cause some congestion too). And if Vc is not zero, it simply means you can use the concrete shear capacity (the logic of having Vc=0 is "The damage to the hinging area due to repeated load reversals
greatly reduces the ability of the cross section to resist shear, requiring more transverse
reinforcements"

So in the event you encounter situation where your Vsway = 88 kips and Vg (1.2 LL + 1.6 DL) = 87kips.. you can simply add 2 kips to make Vsway less than Vg and Vc bcome no longer zero and make available the concrete shear capacity (saving a lot of member size increase or bigger diameter stirrups).

What would you do if you encounter the scenerio above. Add 2kips and make Vc not zero or make Vc=0 (but more costly and even attracting more moments from increased member sizes)?
 
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In practice I use (1.2+0.2Sds)D + f1L + Vpr, and I use Vc=0 due to high seismic loads. I was only trying to point out that you need to check all of the seismic load combinations when checking that provision. What is the governing building code where you practice?

What's "f" in 1L (1 Liveload)?

Both ACI and Canadian's.

So why is the load combination in the Newy's book 1.2 D + 1.6 L + 1.4 E (as shown in the picture above in the earlier message)?
 
Concrete strength requirement is not waived in the case concrete shear strength can be ignored in calculation. Following is the excerpt from ACI318R-14 comments regarding the specification "Transverse reinforcement over the lengths identified in 18.6.4.1 shall be designed to resist shear assuming Vc = 0 when both (a) and (b) occur"

"This observation is reflected in the Code (refer to 18.6.5.2) by eliminating the term representing the contribution of concrete to shear strength. The added conservatism on shear is deemed necessary in locations where potential flexural hinging may occur. However, this stratagem, chosen for its relative simplicity, should not be interpreted to mean that no concrete is required to resist shear. On the contrary, it may be argued that the concrete core resists all the shear with the shear (transverse) reinforcement confining and strengthening the concrete. The confined concrete core plays an important role in the behavior of the beam and should not be reduced to a inimum just because the design expression does not explicitly recognize it."


The maximum design shear strength of reinforcement can not be more than 4 times that of the concrete (Vc=2*sqrt(fc)*b*d, maximum Vs=8*sqrt(fc)*b*d). Therefore, the concrete section may increase correspondingly when reinforcement increases.


Also the load factors should be double checked in the load combinations listed.
 
I don't know where he got that equation. ACI 318-05 states 1.4E shall be used in 9-5 and 9-7 if the seismic forces are service level - which they are not per ASCE 7-05 - but neither of those use 1.6L they use 1.0L.

You also generally don't use the load combinations from ACI either, unless the governing codes does not have any load combinations defined.
 
howarts said:
What's "f" in 1L (1 Liveload)?

It should actually be written f[sub]1[/sub]L. f[sub]1[/sub] is from the load combinations in IBC 1605.2; f[sub]1[/sub] = 1 for places of public assembly live loads in excess of 100 PSF, and parking garages; and 0.5 for other live loads.

Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
 
I am with TehMightyEngineer on this one. Look at the intent of the code rules instead of trying to look for a fudge to trick the system.

It is becoming impossible to write Design Code rules these days with "designers" continuously trying to find arguments around rules rather than designing to the intent of the rules.
 
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Concrete strength requirement is not waived in the case concrete shear strength can be ignored in calculation. Following is the excerpt from ACI318R-14 comments regarding the specification "Transverse reinforcement over the lengths identified in 18.6.4.1 shall be designed to resist shear assuming Vc = 0 when both (a) and (b) occur"

"This observation is reflected in the Code (refer to 18.6.5.2) by eliminating the term representing the contribution of concrete to shear strength. The added conservatism on shear is deemed necessary in locations where potential flexural hinging may occur. However, this stratagem, chosen for its relative simplicity, should not be interpreted to mean that no concrete is required to resist shear. On the contrary, it may be argued that the concrete core resists all the shear with the shear (transverse) reinforcement confining and strengthening the concrete. The confined concrete core plays an important role in the behavior of the beam and should not be reduced to a inimum just because the design expression does not explicitly recognize it."


The maximum design shear strength of reinforcement can not be more than 4 times that of the concrete (Vc=2*sqrt(fc)*b*d, maximum Vs=8*sqrt(fc)*b*d). Therefore, the concrete section may increase correspondingly when reinforcement increases.


Also the load factors should be double checked in the load combinations listed.
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Forget to mention that the seismic load is kind of proportional to the structure self weight.
 
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