What is the expected maximum efficiency of end suction centrifugal pump?

[moideen]

What is the expected maximum efficiency of an end-suction centrifugal pump? This question coming from a selection for a new project and I got a proposal from XYLEM, it meets only 76.5% for a 50meter head 56 l/s flow rate. As we know, when increasing efficiency then decreasing the absorbed electrical Power. I encountered with team XYLEM for getting above 80% efficiency and saying they don’t have selection above 80%.

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[pierreick]

HI ,
Consider the link attached where you can find a correlation to estimate the efficiency of a pump based on Head and flow rate .

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/pump-efficiency

Nothing wrong with the manufacturer's reply.

Good luck
Pierre

 

[1503-44]

That's about standard efficiency for small pumps

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[EdStainless]

For many small pumps 50-60% is fairly standard.

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[LittleInch]

That's actually very good for a 200 m3/hr low head pump.

But it's what the efficiency is at your duty point which matters.

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[Artisi]

As others have already said, the efficiency for a pump of the flow / head is the norm. You maybe able to increase the efficiency slightly by hand finishing the internal surfaces of the impeller. An alternate is to look a a larger unit running at 6 pole (960 rpm) the pump and driver price will increase that needs to be balanced against the running costs of each pump selection.

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[moideen]

Thanks for all the comments. I had purchased and installed a condenser pump, same XYLEM, one year before. It was 86.7% with a 34-meter head and flow of 97l/s. this high-efficiency figure was my before when I send the inquiry to xylem. A noted thing is the efficient model is from the e-1510 family, but the new one is e-1610. xylem competitors in Dubai slurring it is coming from China and e-1510 coming from the US. The local xylem team says, e-1510 is not making above 40-meter head…..thank you

The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of doubts, while stupid ones are full of confidence.
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[moideen]

@Artisi:Can you elaborate on this statement “hand finishing the internal surfaces of the impeller”? is it by factory or ..? what is the expected efficiency difference from 4 poles? Nowadays, all are thinking to decrease the operational cost irrespective of capital costs.

The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of doubts, while stupid ones are full of confidence.
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[Artisi]

moideen, the impellers on small mass produced pumps wouldn't have much attention paid to the as cast internal surface of the impellers, therefore cleaning any rough surface finish in the impeller eye and passage-ways that can be reached will /could bump the efficiency by a point or 2.

Depending of the duty point, a larger pump running at a lower speed could increase the efficiency by a considerable amount - ask your pump supplier for a selection at 6 pole speed - without being advised normally a selection is based on initial cost not overall running costs.

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

 

[LittleInch]

86.7% is about the highest figure I've ever seen for such a pump. But lower head is a bit easier.

But I think you're right in that OPEX and life time cost is becoming more important as it is increasing faster than the capital cost. So a bigger efficiency AT YOUR DUTY POINT but a bit more CAPEX is starting to become thought about a bit more.

Tends to depend on whether its the operator buying it or an EPC contractor....

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[pierreick]

Hi,
If you want to reduce OPEX you may want to consider a VFD instead of a control valve , that will reduce the TDH .
I don't know if this is a viable option for your project .
Good luck
Pierre

 

[Artisi]

Simple solution is to contact your favourite pump supplier, advise the pump duty and simply tell them you want highest efficiency not lowest price.


It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

 

[moideen]

LittleInch: I attached that curve for a reference as 86.7% efficiency @duty point

The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of doubts, while stupid ones are full of confidence.
-Charles Bukowski-

 

[LittleInch]

Interesting.

They do seem to highlight it as a "Premium Efficiency Product".

Hence it is the upper bound level and not what you would "normally" expect from such a sized of unit.

As you get bigger, efficiency becomes more important for people as the cost of power starts to exceed the cost of the unit.

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[1503-44]

Price of power is going up.


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[georgeverghese]

If this pump is in variable flow application in actual operation, you most likely may save more money on life cycle cost over the long term with a VSD with this pump, than with a fixed speed pump with optimum eff at 80% that burns off excess power at low flow-low eff.