would you reject this sign?

[ACtrafficengr]

We had a subcontractor install two of these non-standard hill signs on one of our projects. I don't think they'll be misunderstood, but they don't match the design in the current US Standard Highway Signs book.

So, I'm curious whether anyone would allow the signs, or would everyone reject them.

Thanks,

Jim

 

[teeman]

The difference between the supplied truck graphic and that shown in the Standard Sign book is minor and does not interfere with the intended message. I would not call for replacement, but would notify the Contractor that any signs supplied in the future should not differ from those in the Standard Sign book.

 

[Debaser]

I'd agree with teeman. The image is as close as makes no difference to the average driver, and the nature of the hazard should be conveyed. I would also have a word with the contractor since there should be no room for this sort of 'artistry' if a standard design is laid down in your MUTCD.

(For future checks, are you able to get pdfs of the design just prior to them manufacturing the signs? Currently I'm working on a project requiring approximately 200 'designed' signs, ie direction signs of various sorts and at least double that number in standard warning and regulatory signs. Between the Contractor and ourselves we've learned to check, check and check again.)

(Un)fortunately it's only other engineers and signing enthusiasts amongst the members of the public who'll notice a mistake like that (and they do exist;

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20733

).

 

[bridgebuster]

You're OK; the difference is insignificant. According to the Automobile Association advisory/warning signs don't carry the same weight, legally, as a regulatory sign. They also say if you get ticketed for a yellow sign violation you have a good chance of beating the rap.

On a side note, I read an article recently by Mark Steyn in National Review about the yellow-green ped markers that are popping up everywhere. He lamented that it's further proof of our national decline if pedestrians don't know where they're supposed to walk.

 

[Drumchaser]

I would think local industry would be disgruntled because you allowed your sub to place a non-standard (older, cheaper) sign.

I would reject it because it does not meet current standards.

 

[francesca]

We always put pictures of our signs in our plans set. Did you?

 

[ACtrafficengr]

Francesca, yes, on the traffic control device layout plans, and in the sign text data sheet.

I asked the sub's forman about it. After some heeing and hawing, he contacted his boss, and then claimed that was the layout in the software for their sheeting cutter.

I also found that layout in the Cartegraph SignView sign inventory software.

 

[francesca]

Either way they delivered something that didn't match the plans. It's their responsibility to make sure the right graphic is in the machine.

 

[chicopee]

Just curious, where was the sign made or purchased from?