Did you check the section on Preplanned Impairment Programs in NFPA 25? Also the local code officials and the Fire Department for input? How close is a working fire hydrant in relation to the area of concern. Over 1,000 ft the flows will not be great hence the FD should be involved.
See NFPA 30 for protection ie sprinkler design, fire separation cut off, container type, etc etc. Get a fire protection professional involved it can go wrong real quick depending on the quantity you are dealing with.
Yep used to make this a requirement when we had $100 million ie building, contents and business interruption coverages as the insurance carrier loss control representative. We used to test fire pumps ie hose monster, hose etc. I would occasionally get a fire pump failure for various reasons and...
I would hire a fire protection engineer to provide design information, review the fire protection plans, and review the installation to make sure it was installed as per the plans. Besides the sprinkler protection they need to perhaps look at liquid containment,etc. If the protection is not...
Joe,
Thanks for the reply a few more questions….
What is the actual product?
What is the packaging, if cardboard how many layers, single, double, multiple?
What type of pallet wood, plastic?
Are you using NFPA 13 definition for commodity classification?
So they are using NFPA 13 for...
Joe,
“ Thanks for guidance, definitely I'll consult AHJ for input but before that I have to assure them that I 've studied my lessons and I know what I'm talking about.”
Nope ….the AHJ tells you what they want and or what the minimum requirements are. They approve the plans, you need to make...
Try looking at Factory Mutual( FM) Data Sheet 7-29 IGNITABLE LIQUID STORAGE IN PORTABLE CONTAINERS
FM is a global property insurance carrier and may have more up to date protection criteria. They have a full scale fire protection testing facility. The data sheets are free.
As others have said...
Joe,
Regarded sprinkler protection in the basement as long as the sprinkler design meets the requirements of NFPA 13 you are OK. But no hazardous materials ie flammables, etc. in the basement. Definitely reach out to the AHJ for input.
As a firefighter basement fires are very difficult to...
Definitely check the fire and jockey pump start and stop setting in the jockey and fire pump controllers. NFPA 20 offers some examples as noted below if for some reason the main drain is Not starting the fire pump. Sometimes they are not set properly.
Examples of fire pump settings follow (for...
What are the ceiling temperature sprinklers? Take look, no color ordinary 165, intermediate 212 white, high blue 286 on the frame of the sprinkler. Sometimes you get lucky and the spare heads in the box at the riser will have them, check the date on the head.
If this was once a warehouse it...
Wow I hope you have adequate insurance coverage….
A few comments
1. What is the existing sprinkler design?
2. Are you just adding ductwork or entire new sprinkler system?
3. The ductwork sprinklers should be the same temperature , size, etc. as the ceiling sprinklers.
4. If you have space...
I do not understand why you are doing the design for the project, it is the sprinkler contractor job, so let him do it. You design you just taken on all the legal responsibility. Have him submit the plans to the local AHJ and insurance carrier, your butt is covered!
You should say must be...
Did you try calling them??
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Mike,
I was on the insurance side of the business for 35 years as a Loss Control engineer. A few comments..
1. Set up a meeting with the insurance company engineering department for input. They are the best ones to advise you. I participated in many of these meetings. Afterwords I would...
I spent 35 years on the insurance side as a property loss control engineer. I do not have an engineering degree. Everyday was different based on what I was evaluating ie manufacturing, warehousing, chemical facilities. Something spending 3-5 days on site evaluating the fire, water, and burglary...
Oh the joy of warehouse fire protection, so many things to consider with just a few changes causing problems. I will add any idle wood pallet storage most times this will have a higher sprinkler demand higher than 6 feet of storage on the ground. Put them in the racks….it gets even more...
This has been in NFPA 20 for a long time, at least since 1979 when I started in the insurance business in the USA. Why the NFPA 20 committee went this way I have no idea but I have tested 1000’s over the years never had a problem. If this job is in the USA you better follow what is required or...
I think section 2.4.5.2 regarding vacuum breakers, hydrogen gas detection and high level alarms are definitely things to consider. Again they are trying to limit a loss $$ by early intervention.
From an insurance engineering point of view check out FM Data Sheet 7-111F on Sulfuric Acid, 8 pages of information and protection requirements. Free to download at https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/fm-global-data-sheets
FM = Factory Mutual a global property insurance company.
Tom
