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MartinLe

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“no one was driving” the fully-electric 2019 Tesla when the accident happened. There was a person in the passenger seat of the front of the car and in the rear passenger seat of the car.

the vehicle was traveling at a high speed when it failed to negotiate a cul-de-sac turn, ran off the road and hit the tree.

The brother-in-law of one of the victims said relatives watched the car burn for four hours as authorities tried to tap out the flames.

Authorities said they used 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames because the vehicle’s batteries kept reigniting. At one point, Herman said, deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out the fire in the battery.
 
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You can still buy a Tesla, just don't get (or use) the autopilot option.

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That's why it's "another" since the primary reason is convenience, i.e., the time to get to a "full tank" from empty which is 10 minutes for my Prius.

Plus, engineer that I am, I'd get horribly distracted watching the vision system's detections of objects, regardless of whether I allow it to control the car or not.

TTFN (ta ta for now)
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From a different article

"As a result, the Office of Defects Investigation says it has started investigating Autopilot (SAE Level 2) equipped to all Tesla models (S, X, 3, and Y) manufactured between 2014 and 2021."

So NHTSA has been asleep at the wheel for 7 years and now wants to get all retroactive.

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Greg Locock


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I doubt they will find much of anything...

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
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It seems the cars’ autopilot systems can be activated automatically, potentially leading to crashes from sudden acceleration.

GREAT or maybe not...

SVT 27 June said:
Tesla is forced to update the software on 285,000 cars in China. The error in the software puts the cars at risk of colliding.

Several accidents involving Tesla cars have occurred in China recently. According to Chinese authorities who investigated Tesla cars, vehicles can suddenly increase speed.

The carmaker has also received many complaints about quality problems in social media in China in recent months.
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Not sure that is related to the autopilot turning on, on it's own.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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It's nice to see a 'regulator' that works.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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and billing the family for the bullet...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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Imagine how much carbon got dumped into the atmosphere from that battery. Certainly negates emission limits.
 
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Not a good enough reason.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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Just found out of tesla you can change the indicator noise from a relay sounds to that of a whoopie cushion.

Does it do indicators in auto pilot mode? Or does it engage BMW mode when the autopilot is engaged.
 
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This one has been very badly reported


What the headline didn't make clear "At the time, the vehicle was under manual control of an operator, who told police they "were aware that a person was there but thought (the person) would (realize that a bus was coming) and stop crossing the (street),"" One wonders what sort of arrogant twit would make that assumption, given that "According to Japanese law (cited here 歩行者 - Wikipedia ), pedestrians are considered “weak” or “fragile” under traffic law. They have right of way most of the time. "


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Greg Locock


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That last article mentioning
[URL unfurl="true" said:
https://nypost.com/2021/08/29/tesla-vehicle-on-autopilot-crashes-into-florida-cop-cruiser/[/URL]]“FSD Beta 9.2 is actually not great [in my opinion], but Autopilot/AI team is rallying to improve as fast as possible. We’re trying to have a single stack for both highway & city streets, but it requires massive NN retraining,” Musk said in a tweet.
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is even more troubling, since it means neither we nor Tesla really know what the NN (neural network) actually does in making its decisions. Moreover, we don't know whether it's actually trained on what we THINK it was training on, and not some random features in the training set that the NN found more compelling.


TTFN (ta ta for now)
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Learning how to avoid accidents has got to be pretty boring for an NN. I expect attention wanders, and gets into things like "What IS the best pasta sauce?" or "Did Groucho Marx ever have a REAL mustache?" or "Are humans getting stupider now that there's less selection pressure, or is there another reason?"

ALL far more interesting to think about than making sure my passenger doesn't get damaged--who CARES?


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