2 dead in Tesla accident "Noone wasdrivingthe car" 15

[MartinLe]

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...er-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/

“no one was driving” the fully-electric 2019 Tesla when the accident happened. There was a person in the passenger seat of the front of the car and in the rear passenger seat of the car.

the vehicle was traveling at a high speed when it failed to negotiate a cul-de-sac turn, ran off the road and hit the tree.

The brother-in-law of one of the victims said relatives watched the car burn for four hours as authorities tried to tap out the flames.

Authorities said they used 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames because the vehicle’s batteries kept reigniting. At one point, Herman said, deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out the fire in the battery.

 

[IRstuff]

You can see in the video that the sensors are doing a pretty good job, but the algos and reasoning are still lacking some basic common sense

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[dik]

Neat video... but, I would get tired of keeping track of what autopilot was doing.

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-Dik

 

[RedSnake]

I obviously failed :-(
I tried to be highly ironic. ;-)

Women drive better then men, which means they don't need a autopilot, they take less risks, it's in the genes.
Which means they are more likely to be killed by a bad auto pilot then by there own driving.
So I guess will keep the women.

Men and women under 25 have not a fully developed frontal lobe which means there consequential thinking isn't developed.
They are high risk and more likely to test the boundaries.
Which means they are as likely to get killed by a bad autopilot as by there own driving.
So we exclude them

Older men and women are better drivers then a bad autopilot.
So they are in.

Now I am only being half ironic.

So if you are comparing driver accidents normal driving with Tesla autopilot driving for people older then 25 with an average household income over $143,177 per year or more, then maybe it would be correct.

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[JayMaechtlen]

"In California, unless you're driving a truck over a certain size or towing a trailer, you're allowed to drive in whichever lane you wish as long as you're not holding-up the normal flow of traffic."

Not precisely - the left land is a passing lane.
You can legally travel in it when traffic requires.

This from various law enforcement folks I've asked.

Jay Maechtlen

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[JohnRBaker]

As I said, unless you're holding-up the normal flow of traffic, you can drive in any lane that you wish, including the left lane. And you can overtake (pass) in any lane. That's my understanding, and we've lived here since 1980.

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[BrianPetersen]

"Sitting in the left lane precisely at the speed limit" generally means "holding up traffic", at least around here.

Drive in a manner such that no one overtakes you on the right. (If someone overtakes you on the right, it's you who should be in that lane. Move over.)

 

[JohnRBaker]

Another candidate for a future 'Darwin Award':

California Tesla Driver Arrested While Riding In Backseat

Param Sharma, 25, was arrested for alleged reckless driving, but told reporters that riding in the backseat isn’t dangerous and he will continue it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/param-sharma-tesla-backseat-driver_n_609c011fe4b03e1dd38493d0

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[IRstuff]

The issue with Darwin Awards is that the candidates don't always only kill themselves; the collateral damage could be quite high.

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[BridgeSmith]

Until the vehicle can handle all situations, without the need for a human to intervene at all, having the vehicle be capable of steering itself is an disaster waiting to happen. Expecting a human who isn't actively driving to be ready to at a moments notice is ridiculously naive. Just my opinion. Of course, I'm one of those type-A personalities who will never drive a car that can steer itself, because I don't trust it not to randomly take over and drive into oncoming traffic, either from a glitch or a hack.



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[Lou Scannon]

Arguably, some drivers would be safer in the back seat with Tesla autopilot than driving themselves... just sayin'

"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz

 

[LionelHutz]

Of course, I'm one of those type-A personalities who will never drive a car that can steer itself, because I don't trust it not to randomly take over and drive into oncoming traffic, either from a glitch or a hack.

Don't drive any car with active handling then. A glitch applying the brake on one front wheel is rather effective at steering the car.

 

[dgallup]

What a class A asshole in JohnRBaker's huffpo link:

The KTVU television station reported that Sharma said in an interview that riding in the backseat isn’t dangerous and he will continue it.

“I’m gonna go in the back seat right now. You feel me? I’m waiting for my car to charge,” Sharma told the station.

“Elon Musk really knows what he’s doing and I think people are tripping and they’re scared,” he said, referring to the Tesla founder.

KTVU reported that Sharma characterized himself as being above the blue-collar world.

“I don’t drive and I don’t fill up gas. I am a gold collar,” he said.

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[stevenal]

"Charged with reckless driving." It will never stick because he was very clearly not driving.

 

[dik]

I would assume insurance companies would deny all claims... leaving the driver liable for not only the cost of his vehicle, but also any civil damages.

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-Dik

 

[dik]

"LOS ANGELES (AP) – Federal safety regulators are sending a team to California to investigate a fatal freeway crash involving a Tesla, just after authorities near Oakland arrested a man in another Tesla rolling down a freeway with no one behind the steering wheel.

Experts say both cases raise pressure on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to take action on Tesla’s partially automated driving system called Autopilot, which has been involved in multiple crashes that have resulted in at least three U.S. deaths."

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[BridgeSmith]

Don't drive any car with active handling then.

Yeah, I avoid that, too, and turn off the traction control whenever the roads are slick. I'd turn off the ABS if I could.

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[LionelHutz]

I would assume insurance companies would deny all claims... leaving the driver liable for not only the cost of his vehicle, but also any civil damages.

Why, I wouldn't be absolved of being the drive if I claimed that I had activated the "dumb" cruise control on my car and jumped out of the drivers seat. Same thing apples to that clown.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Apparently the Tesla autopilot was not programmed to recognize emergency vehicles and what to do when an accident or emergency incident is encountered on the road:

U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...robe-into-tesla-autopilot-crashes-2021-08-16/

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[SnTMan]

Well, gosh, do they have to think of everything?

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

 

[waross]

I would assume insurance companies would deny all claims... leaving the driver liable for not only the cost of his vehicle, but also any civil damages.

Long ago and far away, my stepson's car was hit by a train. He was found to be at fault. His insurance paid all claims, damage to the locomotive, railway lost time, and extensive therapy for his passenger.
Then his insurance company came after stepson for reimbursement.
Every month for several years, a large part of his paycheck went to his insurance company. Eventually, with financial help from his grandfather, he was able to negotiate a lump sum payout.

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