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MartinLe

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“no one was driving” the fully-electric 2019 Tesla when the accident happened. There was a person in the passenger seat of the front of the car and in the rear passenger seat of the car.

the vehicle was traveling at a high speed when it failed to negotiate a cul-de-sac turn, ran off the road and hit the tree.

The brother-in-law of one of the victims said relatives watched the car burn for four hours as authorities tried to tap out the flames.

Authorities said they used 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames because the vehicle’s batteries kept reigniting. At one point, Herman said, deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out the fire in the battery.
 
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coloeng said:
How many Teslas are currently on the road that have the "Autopilot" feature and are actively using that feature?
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Fixed it for ya...

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If there have been 24 crashes by Teslas operating in "Autopilot" is this really safer than human driven vehicles? How many Teslas are currently on the road that have the "Autopilot" feature?
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Ostensibly, Teslas are reasonably safe running Autopilot, and even without: But, Tesla's self-reported numbers aren't necessarily comparable to NHTSA numbers, due to differences in accident reporting.


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McGyverS2000 said:
How many Teslas are currently on the road that have the "Autopilot" feature and are actively using that feature?
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Well, the ones using the feature may have left the road inadvertently for some reason...[wink]

"Schiefgehen wird, was schiefgehen kann" - das Murphygesetz
 
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Autopilot is meant to be used on motorways ... the same roads on which human drivers are also the safest. (No junctions with traffic coming from conflicting directions, no private driveways, etc.)
 
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“In the 3rd quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.59 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.42 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.79 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles.”

So, this piece of propaganda makes it look as if Teslas are 4 to 10 times less likely to crash than the average car. But Autopilot only works in good traffic conditions, whereas the NHTSA statistic includes 30 year old trucks on bald tires with teenage drivers on ice (both types), not just well off middle aged people driving nearly new cars in good conditions on high speed roads with line markings.



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GregLocock said:
...teenage drivers on ice (both types)...
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[rofl]

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
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I don't think you'll find anything that proves assist features are not safer, when they are used properly and they work properly.

The issue with Tesla is that the autopilot will randomly get confused and try to kill the people in the car. I don't have much confidence with any autonomous vehicle right now, especially when the objects they might crash into are things I can easily avoid by driving myself.
 
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autopilot will randomly get confused
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Not randomly at all, someone with more balls than brains demonstrated that the Autopilot fubar in an accident on the 101 freeway was extremely repeatable. Everyone thinks it's a sensor problem, but it's actually a context processing problem; Autopilot and the car's processors have lots of data that they could integrate to reduce the number of silly accidents, but they don't bother with the contextual information to know that the lane the processor is following isn't plausible; ditto Uber's processing.

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Does anyone rate these for the type of vehicle including the percentage of that type of vehicle in the population?

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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If one is to make a proper comparison, whether a autopilot car is more involved in car accidents then others.
One must first exclude all women.
Then you exclude all men under the age of 25 years old.
The older ones we can keep, they usually drives better even when they are half blind and deaf, mostly compensating the driving after there ability's and have long experience.
Then we can exclude all males with an average income under the potential buyers group for Teslas.
Then we can make a comparison.

I am thinking like Lionel had the person driving the car had that accident if he/she hade been driving themselves?
I have no problem whit drivers aids, if accidents can be reduced that is good.

If autopilot systems kills people that normally are good drivers and could have handled the situation on there own.
Is a autopilot system okey and good enough then, even if it helps others that might had killed themselves because they are bad drivers. [ponder]

I don't think so..

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It's random in the sense that you don't know exactly what conditions will trigger a failure. Change one little thing in a trial that has worked 100's of times and it might fail. It might get it right at one spot on the road but get it wrong in an almost identical spot further down the road when the same result is expected in both cases. The one that drove under the truck might have got it right with slightly different conditions.
 
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RedSnake said:
If one is to make a proper comparison, whether a autopilot car is more involved in car accidents then others.
One must first exclude all women.
Then you exclude all men under the age of 25 years old.
The older ones we can keep, they usually drives better even when they are half blind and deaf, mostly compensating the driving after there ability's and have long experience.
Then we can exclude all males with an average income under the potential buyers group for Teslas.
Then we can make a comparison.
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Excluding folks without the income to purchase a Tesla is about the only exclusion in your list I can agree with for an "equal" comparison.

Plenty of women drive Teslas. The <25 exclusion is a bit iffy, as I know a few young Tesla drivers... and the income exclusion probably handles that quite nicely. Experience shouldn't be an exclusion point as that's what part of what is being tested for.

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"Tesla owners are an older demographic. Our data shows that the median age of a Tesla Model S and Model X owner is just under 54 years old, compared to 38 for the US population. The median age of a Model X owner is 52 years old and the median age of a Model S owner is 54"
"The average household income of a Tesla Model X owner is $143,177 per year.

As a comparison, the median household income in the United States in 2017 was $61,372. (Full disclosure, we’re comparing two different things. If you’re confused about “average” vs. “median” just look here.)

The average household income of a Tesla Model S owner is a little higher, at $153,313 per year."

So there is that. I'd agree that anyone comparing averages and medians is on the way to statistics hell.


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From comments: "I place its competence somewhere between a first-time teen driver and a severely impaired drunk driver"

Brutal.
 
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GregLocock said:
Road test of FSD beta 8.2 in some rather empty streets, albeit with a lot of cars in random places.
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I thought about posting that video here as an engineering failure when it dropped. FSD is pretty drunk at times. That’s a very rough beta.

The passenger cracks me up. Definitely owns more stock than the driver.
 
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