AA jet and Military helicopter collide over Potomac 7

Reagan National Airport crash: Military Black Hawk helicopter collides midair with American Airlines jet

An Army Black Hawk helicopter collided midair with an American Airlines flight from Wichita, Kansas, at Reagan National Airport on Wednesday.

www.foxnews.com

 

[drwebb]

The pilots have to train to deal with a civilian ATC environment and civilian pilots and hardware.

I'll bear in mind we may be unwittingly participating in a potentially risky military training exercise the next time I purchase a commercial plane ticket for myself or family.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

No everything is magnetic we look at or talk about With ATC.

There are flux valves in the wing tips that measure it.

The FMS carries an almanac which then fits us into it's grid navigational database.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

I'll bear in mind we may be unwittingly participating in a potentially risky military training exercise the next time I purchase a commercial plane ticket for myself or family.

It will be a navigation exercise. The police, news helicopters and sight seeing will use the same routes.

 

[Roga50]

USA you can do VFR at night which is the rules I suspect the mil helicopter had declared.

The ATC recording that I heard has the helicopter pilot declaring at least twice that they are using "visual separation."

FYI, Scott Manley ran a quick preliminary simulation of the flight along with ATC audio on his secondary channel:

 

[stcbus]

President of the US: “DEI”. Just amazing.

 

[dik]

It has secondary radar mode C Information on the radar display so yes it's on.

Thanks...

 

[dik]

Diclination is 15deg east in Washington.

Is runway orientation set on magnetic north? or geodetic? What happens when the magnetic pole shifts?

 

[fel3]

Is runway orientation set on magnetic north? or geodetic? What happens when the magnetic pole shifts?

They rotate the airport.

Not to make light of this tragedy, of course

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Is runway orientation set on magnetic north? or geodetic? What happens when the magnetic pole shifts?

Mag and they get a pot of paint out and change it.

Manchester started out in 2003 at 238 degs and called rwy24. At the start of my career.

It's now 232 Deg and runway 23.

 

[dik]

they get a pot of paint out and change it

Hehehehe

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

The qualified staff don't want hired by all accounts.

The pay was apparently sorted out years ago.

It takes 3 years to qualify a controller which is way longer than getting a pilot qualified.

Pay is over 200k$ per year.

Micro managing MBA poisonous working environment is the main complaint. And this is the same across the pond as well.

 

[dik]

It's now 232 Deg and runway 23.

Wouldn't that be 05-23?

 

[TugboatEng]

The problem is that the FAA has plenty of money to hire qualified controllers but chose to use it to target the hiring of disruptive employees. Read the damn link. It was their official policy. I've seen many members here warning of the consequences and here we are. We should have been offering $250k per year but instead the FAA was investing in environmental justice.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Well 23R - 05L and the other one which I think is 1 Deg different

 

[TugboatEng]

Here it is, dik's socialist agenda is getting challenged so he invents trivialities to distract from the dead bodies.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

There is nobody that wants to work for them.

It's partly to do with the political rotations and changes every 2 years.

 

[TugboatEng]

Read the link. There was a political rotation that prioritized an undermining of the FAA.

https://archive.ph/uhYgm#selection-2089.0-2111.329

Let's talk about the inept FAA that allowed the 737MAX during the Trump admin. However! The Biden admin undermined every level of the FAA and bragged about it on the official website!

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

This is an international problem to do with recruitment of people willing to do the job. Never mind have the mind set or capability.

 

[dik]

Well 23R - 05L

Thanks... I'd forgotten about the R and L...

 

[dik]

Here it is, dik's socialist agenda is getting challenged so he invents trivialities to distract from the dead bodies.

???