California Warehouse Fire 4

[dik]

agreed... this apparently was from the engineered report for the 'landlord'. Some engineers will write anything for a buck.

Dik

 

[cranky108]

I'm getting ready for retirement so I would need more than a buck.

I've never been offered a bribe, so how does one get into this sort of business? How does one put there name out there? Exactly how does this work?

The fact is laws were broken by the landlord, and he knew it. The fact that the city did not enforce the laws is a bad thing. But how many speeders have you seen that did not get tickets? Would that make it the states fault if they get into a crash? I could come up with more examples of state and local police not enforcing ALL the laws.

 

[JedClampett]

cranky108, it helps if you know some lawyers and your mommy and daddy weren't married. Which might be the same subset.

 

[cranky108]

Or maybe I don't know the right lawyers. Or maybe it was all that ethics training I've had.

 

[dik]

The City of Oakland hired a public relations firm, in a 6-month deal worth up to $90,000, to serve as official media consultants and spokespeople following the city’s deadly warehouse fire.

 

[HamburgerHelper]

Don't want anyone to say anything dumb to the media, hire a PR firm that can't answer anything because they don't know anything and anything they say can't be held against you.

 

[itsmoked]

You're correct. It's a good plan.

Keith Cress
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[MJCronin]

Let me say it again .....

HOW MANY OTHER GHOST SHIPS ARE OUT THERE ???

Yes, yes.... Lawyers are the servants of Satan .... but

Why cannot the lessons learned here be used to save possible future lives ???

There has to be other disasters waiting to happen in other West Coast Art enclaves ...

In the USA we pay more attention to the antics of half dressed Kardashians than to existing life safety codes...

MJCronin
Sr. Process Engineer

 

[dik]

MJC... it's a financial thing...

 

[drawoh]

MJCronin,

Okay, you own a warehouse. The city is curious about what you have in there. Can they walk in whenever they want?

There is a community of arty types out there who are libertarians, and who want the government to stay out of whatever they are doing. The arguments, however valid they are, have been worked out. This is the USA. The person who does not want you in his warehouse may be armed.

--
JHG

 

[IRstuff]

If they get a complaint, which would be the only reason "they" would get "curious," they could get a search warrant. But, as a commercial building, as supposed, I imagine they have additional powers, given that the "public" ostensibly has access.

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[sandman21]

As I previously mentioned an inspection warrant is not difficult to obtain. Neither is having the building corrected, as the owner will be fined until deficiencies are corrected or the city demos the building on the owners dime.

CA CODE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE
SECTION 1822.50-1822.60

1822.50. An inspection warrant is an order, in writing, in the name
of the people, signed by a judge of a court of record, directed to a
state or local official, commanding him to conduct any inspection
required or authorized by state or local law or regulation relating
to building, fire, safety, plumbing, electrical, health, labor, or
zoning.

 

[cranky108]

Some zoning laws have a purpose like public safety. How do you balance that with property rights?

If you live in a city, you have the right to vote on those regulations, or not. But so does everyone else. So accept the rules of the community.

The building owner is at fault for not looking out for the public safety of those living there.

 

[IRstuff]

Property rights are nowhere near absolute; you, in effect, are renting the property from the government for the price of the property tax. Just try to see what happens when you don't pay said tax.

Since the recent eminent domain case in SCOTUS, the government can take your property from you, even if your property is not a blight, and even if the purpose is not for pure revitalization.

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[itsmoked]

Yesterday an Oakland Slum apartment burned down costing several lives. Again, it looks like the Oakland Fire Department has failed the city and its inhabitants.

There were documented complaints to the city that there was garbage stacked in the hallways everywhere, holes thru floors, walls and ceilings, crack users in the attic, plugged toilets, heaps of garbage in the back yard, exposed wires, more than an inch of standing water on the first floor, and so many rats living in the place that one lady who escaped in her robe with only her purse at the 5AM fire said, "A least the rats are dead".

Oh, and the Fire Chief is retiring in a few weeks with her six figure pension.

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[dik]

Fire cause not determined, from the news, " Fire investigators were unable to determine what caused the blaze at an Oakland, California, warehouse that killed 36 people last December, according to a report released late Monday.

According to the report posted late on the city of Oakland's website, investigators cannot rule out an electrical failure, candles, incense, smoking material or an open flame as possible causes.

Investigators determined the blaze originated on a back corner on the ground floor of the two-story building but they couldn't pinpoint a cause because of the extensive fire damage."

Dik

 

[berkshire]

Well the other shoe dropped today ,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...-deaths/ar-BBGKJIT?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

B.E.

You are judged not by what you know, but by what you can do.

 

[LionelHutz]

Odd that the fire dept. had no records of violations and that a report was "lost".

 

[dik]

There should be other charges if the following is correct:

“It’s lost,” Serra said of the referral. “We attribute it to the fact that the local fire department was very friendly with our client… wanted to give him a pass.”

Also the Fire Captain should check to see how his one page report was sent up the channel...

Dik

 

[waross]

I had a government appeals board make some serious stupid mistakes within the last year. Then they "sanitized" the file to remove evidence of their mistakes. Now the government file is incomplete but the e-mails still exist in my files and in others files.
No record of the report? Convenient!

Bill
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