CUSTOMER DRG FILE: unable to select BOM & title block

[sundeep198]

Hello all,
I received a Fiat drawing file in Nx 7.5.0.32.
I was able to make the changes in the views & notes, but i am not able to select the BOM & Title block. These donot have view frame border. I checked with the layers also & all are fine. I have been using Nx since last 4+ yrs but have not come across such situation. Any idea how can i edit/modify these.

Regards,
Sundeep P
Nx 7.5.0.32

 

[cowski]

Is the layer they reside on marked as "visible only"?

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[sundeep198]

No, I have all the layers with objects on & can be edited.
but not these two (BOM & title block)

layers imaage uploaded:

http://files.engineering.com/getfil...c-c870-4334-a107-af5dab6738f7&file=layers.JPG

Regards,
Sundeep

 

[sundeep198]

BOM & title block is on Layer 245, even if i make it as work layer, i am not able to select anything.
I can't move/copy from this layer.

regards,
Sundeep

 

[jerry1423]

It could be some sort of custom symbol or drawing template
Go to Info -> Object and pick one of the entities on the border and see what it gets reported as

 

[sundeep198]

No, i tried that first.
It does not select anything in this layer.

 

[cowski]

They only show on the drawing (do not exist in modeling views)?

Does Fiat have NX customizations similar to the GM toolkit?

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[JohnRBaker]

I know this may sound obvious, but since all else has failed, check your 'Type filter'.

Also, is this file possibly an Assembly with the Drawing border being part a Component? If it is an Assembly, make sure that the 'Selection Scope' is set to 'Entire Assembly'.

I know this are basic suggestions, but when you get to this point, it's sometimes the really lame issues that are getting in the way ;-)

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[sundeep198]

They have modelling views and those are selectable.

I think yes they have some customizations and i don't have those.

 

[sundeep198]

John,
i checked all these since yesterday
I am really stuck. Problem is i am unable to select.

Is there anything like suppress/freeze etc.

 

[SDETERS]

Are these hidden in the modeling enviroment? So Could the be processed down from like some PMI and or curves sketched in Modeling?

 

[sundeep198]

No these are in drafting, BOM consist of 18 items + Title block.

this is what layer 245 says:
245 Work 1050 ALL 7 Point 861 Line 10 Arc 1 Spline 79 Drafting Entity 1 Component 19 Solid or Sheet Body 71 Tabular Note 1 User Defined

 

[JohnRBaker]

I think it's time to contact GTAC as they have tools which can look at all objects in a file and sort out if they're something NX is actually expecting to see and therefore is selectable. Since you say this file came another company, it's possible that they have created what's called a 'User Defined Object' (using NX Open tools) and unless you have the proper tools yourself, they may be nonselectable on your system. I understand that Fiat, like GM, has a 'toolkit' that they supply to their vendors which is used to assure that anything you do with their models will comply with their engineering and drafting standards. Perhaps you need to also take this up with Fiat and see if they can help you out.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[SDETERS]

Try expanding the view. We have some stuff from I-Deas CMM to NX that we can only select if we expand the view.

 

[sundeep198]

There is no view border available for this so can't expand.

 

[jerry1423]

check if there is a custom view that make contain this drawing form

 

[SvenBom]

Maybe the table is defined with Pattern option. This means, that the they have created the table for a template file firs. Then they have select File/Options/Save Options and selected Pattern Data Only. Then, they saved the file. The BOM table and the Title Block were probably defined that way.
Now, when they are creating a new drawing, they place the views, notes, etc. After that, they do this:
1. format menu
2. pattern
3. retrieve pattern
4. now, they select their pattern for the table and the title block and place them
All objects (lines, tables, text, etc.), defined as pattern, can not be selected directly on a drawing. They don't have any view border, work layer will not affect this, etc.

Now, if this is the case, then you can do this:
1. click on Format menu
2. select Pattern
3. just for the testing, click on any command in new window. Let's say on Replace Pattern
4. now, select Only Selected Patterns
5. now, if this table is pattern, then you will see somewhere on the pattern the x sign. Click on it. Or, you can click on Select All in Class Selection dialog box.
6. if the table has changed the color, then it is selected and you know now, that this it is defined as pattern.

I have also attahce the movie, to maybe show this better. If you can not see the movie, let me know and I will upload the codec.

 

[sundeep198]

Sorry SvenBom, i tried this too but no luck.