Educated Opinions on Climate change - a denouement or a hoax? 25

[KENAT]

However, to some extent that is self imposed. Sure the country is big so distances between cities etc will in some cases be very large.

However, why does each individual city have to be so spread out, and in fact some especially in the North East aren't to the same extent as I understand it. I hear that folks in New York actually walk places!

So, while there is some truth/merit in what you say, I suspect it gets overplayed.

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[rb1957]

"folks in New York actually walk places!" ... only if they want to get mugged ...

 

[rapt]

GregLocock/Moltenmetal,

Actuually,

2 This is ignoring the enormous benefits of increased CO2 in the atmosphere in relation to plant and vegetation growth. If the world wants to keep feeding its increasing population, then we need more CO2. If it turns out the greenhouse logic regarding CO2 is grossly overstated, we could hurt ourselves enormously by reducing CO2! And if the idiots who are trying to come up with a way to scrub some or all of it out of the atmosphere are successful, we may all starve to death beacsue of a lack of CO2.

Why isn't anyone pushing for population control as a solution!!! Seems a lot more logical!

4 Has aquatic life been proven to have been reduced by CO2 or have we just over-fished it?
Is population control the solution here also?

5 My understanding is that CO2 has little effect on incoming heat/radiation from the sun. Its effect is supposedly to stop the outgoing heat/radation from the earth from escaping.

 

[NomLaser]

Here's a new one from Gore. Tree Mortality. When it can be shown that tree growth is in fact increasing. One has to wonder what's in the water that everyone in Copenhagen is drinking. Does he really think that people aren't going to fact check anything he says?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/16/another-al-gore-reality-check-“rising-tree-mortality”/

 

[josephv]

[BEIJING] Rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could make rice and wheat grow faster but be less nutritious, say Chinese scientists. The impact on agriculture could be profound.

“The protein level will decrease by ten per cent by about 2050, and elements such as iron and zinc will also decline,” says Zhu Jianguo, a senior scientist with the Nanjing-based Institute of Soil Sciences, part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

http://www.scidev.net/en/news/rising-carbon-dioxide-could-make-crops-less-nutrit.html

 

[NomLaser]

Their study predicts that if air temperature continues to increase by 0.04 degrees Celsius each year, the amount of organic matter — derived from decaying animal and plant life — in rice fields will fall by seven per cent by 2050.

Wonder if they took into account the 15% in extra plant growth? Could the low air quality in China have any impact upon this study? So many more questions...

 

[NomLaser]

Just realized the date of the article, March 2005. Wonder if they did any follow-ups.

 

[rb1957]

yeah, the trouble with the internet ... once it's there, it's there for good

 

[TCAir]

"rb1957 (Aerospace)
16 Dec 09 12:41
yeah, the trouble with the internet ... once it's there, it's there for good "

...but if Al Gore invented the internet, can't he just delete all this so he can continue to profit from it?

Engineering has always been my love, but it ended up being my second career...

 

[davefitz]

Actually, quite a bit of teh internet gets deleted, or at least given a very low profile on the popular search engines. I am not sure of the interplay between politics and Google , etc, but some politically embarassing pages that were avaialable years ago no longer to be found. I suspect the same censorship accomplished in China occurs in all countries, and all are equally adept at convincing the peons that it doesn't occur in their country.

 

[cranky108]

It's not just the internet apperently that gets deleted. But it appears goverment documents also get deleted from our national archives.

It looks like, from my perspective, that there is things going on that we are not intended to see. So it also appears we can't trust our own goverment.

I understand nation securty things, but weather chart data? NASA won't or can't release that data not only is a national shame, but looks like a coverup.

 

[rb1957]

@ TC ... maybe he will ... maybe none of this happened ?? ... maybe be ... damnit, i forget ... OMG, he's at work inside my head, erasing me .... arrrrgggghhhhh

 

[owg]

cranky108 - What is the issue with weather chart data? I recall during WW2 there were no public weather forecasts in the UK and presumably other countries. Is that the issue, after all we are at war?

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[cranky108]

In WWII the wether forcasts in England whould have helped Germany. So are you compairing the war on terrism, with the WWII?

Besides the fact that hystorical weather patterns probally are not much benifit to the terrests of today.

The issue is the freedom of information act in the US does apply to NASA, but apperently isen't being followed.

 

[owg]

Just a thought, not comparing wars.

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[ewh]

Time for the pendulum to swing back...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ling-of-earths-upper-atmosphere-79432252.html

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[NomLaser]

Guess that they can't make up their minds.

 

[SnTMan]

From the ewh's linked paper "NASA Shows Quiet Sun Means Cooling of Earth's Upper Atmosphere"

"While this warming has no implications for climate change in the troposphere, a fundamental prediction of climate change theory is that the upper atmosphere will cool in response to increasing carbon dioxide."

Well, that's interesting, I wonder if The Powers have seen it?

Merry Christmas and Happy New (warmer? colder?) Year to all

SnTMan

 

[rb1957]

i picked up on that too ... there's been so much made for this failed prediction that i wonder if they're talking about two different things. mind you that won't stop most of them just jumping on the band wagon ...

i'll settle for a new year, whatever the climate does !

 

[BobM3]

Maybe we should suggest cutting the funding to NASA by 50% because we need the money to build windmill and solar farms. My guess is that NASA's climate predictions might change. Why is NASA studing climate change anyways?