Zdas04 is correct. However the quote from withouthotair was "...vulnerable to the whims of untrustworthy foreigners." And of course Canadians do not fall into that category.
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Them Canadians don't even talk the same language as us'ns. Actually, I'm on the Board of a Canadian company and we have more language problems than I do in Columbia (and I speak zero Spanish). Besides all that we're already importing 16% of our Natural Gas from Canada. Next step they'll join OPEC.
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I think all Canadians with the exception of some in Quebec speak similar to the us'ns.![[smile]](/data/assets/smilies/smile.gif "[smile] [smile]")
I think we all get stereotyped because of a few sometimes.
This is a good talk somewhat related to GW:
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I think all Canadians with the exception of some in Quebec speak similar to the us'ns.
I think we all get stereotyped because of a few sometimes. This is a good talk somewhat related to GW:
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The high priests of the new religion have repeatedly claimed that the solar cycle, and sunspots, are not a significant part of the 'problem', while wallpapering over historical evidence that sunspot activity seem to be associated with temperature. This paper suggests a plausible mechanism for interaction between space weather (as it is known) and clouds, hence the albedo factor of the Earth.
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When solar explosions interfere with the cosmic rays there is a temporary shortage of small aerosols, chemical specks in the air that normally grow until water vapour can condense on them, so seeding the liquid water droplets of low-level clouds. Because of the shortage, clouds over the ocean can lose as much as 7 per cent of their liquid water within seven or eight days of the cosmic-ray minimum.
"A link between the Sun, cosmic rays, aerosols, and liquid-water clouds appears to exist on a global scale," the report concludes. This research, to which Torsten Bondo and Jacob Svensmark contributed, validates 13 years of discoveries that point to a key role for cosmic rays in climate change. In particular, it connects observable variations in the world's cloudiness to laboratory experiments in Copenhagen showing how cosmic rays help to make the all-important aerosols.
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When solar explosions interfere with the cosmic rays there is a temporary shortage of small aerosols, chemical specks in the air that normally grow until water vapour can condense on them, so seeding the liquid water droplets of low-level clouds. Because of the shortage, clouds over the ocean can lose as much as 7 per cent of their liquid water within seven or eight days of the cosmic-ray minimum.
"A link between the Sun, cosmic rays, aerosols, and liquid-water clouds appears to exist on a global scale," the report concludes. This research, to which Torsten Bondo and Jacob Svensmark contributed, validates 13 years of discoveries that point to a key role for cosmic rays in climate change. In particular, it connects observable variations in the world's cloudiness to laboratory experiments in Copenhagen showing how cosmic rays help to make the all-important aerosols.
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I think the jury is still out on fossil fuels being a finite resource, unless of course, that one belives everything that is spoonfed them through the media.
First of all, fossil fuels are carbon based, are they not? Now then, is it not the excess presence of carbon that everyone is complaining about. Hydrogen seems to be in abundant supply on this planet, as well.
Am I missing something obvious or are we simply sitting on our hands and not developing the remainder to this equation???
Also, try googling "peak oil myth".
First of all, fossil fuels are carbon based, are they not? Now then, is it not the excess presence of carbon that everyone is complaining about. Hydrogen seems to be in abundant supply on this planet, as well.
Am I missing something obvious or are we simply sitting on our hands and not developing the remainder to this equation???
Also, try googling "peak oil myth".
And to think we haven't touched those frozen hydrite deposits under the ocean. Or all the oil under antaritica.
And I hear Russia still has problems getting new drillers to develop new sources there (Maybe they run them off).
And we aren't drilling off the East and West costs, and there are still lots of coal fields abanded because of sulfer content.
We aren't near the end of fossil fuels, as the prices don't reflect that at all.
And I hear Russia still has problems getting new drillers to develop new sources there (Maybe they run them off).
And we aren't drilling off the East and West costs, and there are still lots of coal fields abanded because of sulfer content.
We aren't near the end of fossil fuels, as the prices don't reflect that at all.
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Warming and cooling.... the history of climate scares....
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Thanks for the link JMW. The sky has been falling for quite some time now, it appears!
Guys, if you are not prepared to jump on the “Global Warming” or “Climate Change” bandwagon, perhaps it is a mental disorder according to the American Psychological Association:
The 90 year old "seer" from Cornwall, UK, may have a point about this 20% oxygen atmosphere of ours being a problem. He pointed out that it is only recently that species have adapted to it. He said its a nasty gas similar to chlorine. So if we are going into the terraforming business lets bring it down to around 15%. I wouldn't be able to run any more but it would sure help the forest fire fighters in Canada. Who needs to run anyway?
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Seems to me that the main points in this yahoo story are that:
[ul][li]they don't believe it[/li]
[li]they don' trust the scientists[/li]
[li]they don't trust the politicians[/li]
[li]they don't think we can do any good anyway[/li]
[li]the economy is more important and since tackling climate change will put a big hole in the economy, that makes sense[/li][/ul]
So, these are all signs of a psychological barrier?
Sound to me like reason.
Next thing they'll want to treat that psychological disorder (once it has some fancy name like AAAGWS - Absolute Anti Anthropogenic Global Warming Syndrome).
What it really says is that in a democracy, the majority view, whether right or wrong, no longer matters; politicians are no longer in power to represent the people but minority interests - starting with their own very special minority interests.
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[ul][li]they don't believe it[/li]
[li]they don' trust the scientists[/li]
[li]they don't trust the politicians[/li]
[li]they don't think we can do any good anyway[/li]
[li]the economy is more important and since tackling climate change will put a big hole in the economy, that makes sense[/li][/ul]
So, these are all signs of a psychological barrier?
Sound to me like reason.
Next thing they'll want to treat that psychological disorder (once it has some fancy name like AAAGWS - Absolute Anti Anthropogenic Global Warming Syndrome).
What it really says is that in a democracy, the majority view, whether right or wrong, no longer matters; politicians are no longer in power to represent the people but minority interests - starting with their own very special minority interests.
JMW
Well one of those is right. Many of us don't trust the politicians, because they have lied to us to many times.
Politicians, like babys, should be changed often and for the same reason.
Or how about, do you know how to tell if a politician is lieing? There mouth is moving.
Politicians, like babys, should be changed often and for the same reason.
Or how about, do you know how to tell if a politician is lieing? There mouth is moving.
someone posted early on that the human population has increased significantly over the last century ... that's an awfull lot more of lungs taking on O2 and exhaling CO2 ...
and assume that the amount of vegation hasn't increased, ie forests converted into crop fields, so maybe the "natural" uptake of CO2 hasn't changed, in any case it certainly hasn't increased along with the population growth.
just a thought
and assume that the amount of vegation hasn't increased, ie forests converted into crop fields, so maybe the "natural" uptake of CO2 hasn't changed, in any case it certainly hasn't increased along with the population growth.
just a thought
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Read a report somewhere that the rain forests don't give us a net O2 benefit because the O2 is taken up by organisms in the ground beneath the trees. i.e. If you just consider the trees, you get CO2 absorbed and O2 released. But if you include the organisms the forest supports you have no net CO2 reduction.
I'll try and find the report.
JMW
I'll try and find the report.
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