Equivalent Climate Change 3

[TugboatEng]

That other thread got me thinking. Perhaps global warming is happening due to heat being released into our atmosphere and is not primarily driven GHG emissions.

https://environmentalsystemsresearc...uggest that,global warming or climate change.

This is bad news for nuclear because so little of it's energy produced becomes useful power. Remember that all energy, no matter it's source, eventually becomes heat.

Perhaps the solution to global warming is space lasers . Energy cannons that can radiate heat off into space.

 

[Guest102023]

Well if you're going to persist in casting aspersions you should at least use correct terminology. It is called phrenology. Did I say is? I meant was.

Another old consensus idea that's coming back into fashion is Trial by Fire. It's being experimented with in places like Australia, California and B.C. Tests have been very successful so far, and prospects for wider implentation appear excellent.



"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

Sorry, I don't follow pseudoscience. I did the best I could with Google.

How are wildfires representative of climate change when 85% are human caused?

 

[LionelHutz]

Armstrong as a paid climate Denier

I see, only paid climate change believers are acceptable sources? I expect reality falls somewhere in the middle between both sides.

 

[LionelHutz]

TugboatEng - You know, regardless which science is right, or if any are right, I do agree with your comments about needing to conserve. Conservation should get more focus, but doing that is as unpopular as telling everyone their energy is going to cost more.

 

[Guest102023]

I expect reality falls somewhere in the middle between both sides.

I expect it does not. Climate scientists get paid to do honest science; deniers either deny voluntarily or are a paid by those with short term vested interest in the status quo. Profit in the staus quo is made by a relatively few; the cost of the status quo will be borne by many.

As I said before, there's no equivalence, no symmetry, and no balance.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[LionelHutz]

Sorry, but with so many believer predictions failing to come true what will actually happen certainly doesn't fall on that side.

 

[Guest102023]

That is seriously the logic on which you base your position?

As I've probably said before, get out of your house and look around.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[Tomfh]

I see, only paid climate change believers are acceptable sources

Now you’re catching on.

 

[LionelHutz]

LOL, whatever. Obviously you won't admit that there have been many, many predictions from the believer side that have simply not come true over the years.

 

[Tomfh]

/s

 

[hokie66]

It gets more and more difficult to guess who is drinking what.

 

[Guest102023]

It's the predictions that come true that are the ones we need to worry about. That's only logical!

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

I don't follow.

 

[IRstuff]

LOL, whatever. Obviously you won't admit that there have been many, many predictions from the believer side that have simply not come true over the years.

Predictions based on incomplete information and models are boing to be missed; the issue is whether the trend is in that direction, and the deniers will continue to deflect the issue at hand, which is that it is happening, and we did do it.

TTFN (ta ta for now)
I can do absolutely anything. I'm an expert!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

faq731-376 forum1529 Entire Forum list

http://www.eng-tips.com/forumlist.cfm

 

[TugboatEng]

Predictions based on incomplete information and models

This was the reason I started this threads. The models I see lack the most basic understanding of thermodynamics. That is why I am trying to reinforce the distinction between heat and temperature. When heat is included in the models, the author I linked claims their model represents past events accurately and therefore should be predictive.

 

[Tomfh]

Predictions based on incomplete information

You don't hear those sort of qualifications and limitations when the predictions are first made. When the predictions are put forward they're portrayed as iron clad scientific facts. "The science is settled". It's only when they turn out wrong that we hear that the information was incomplete and the science is continually improving. You can't expect people not to notice the continual crying wolf, and the excuses as to why we didn't actually see the wolf this time.

 

[Guest102023]

Based on my Tasco binoculars and one course of calculus, I have determined that Einstein got Relativity all wrong.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[TugboatEng]

Relativity is still a theory.

 

[Guest102023]

So is gravity.

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"

 

[IRstuff]

You don't hear those sort of qualifications and limitations when the predictions are first made. When the predictions are put forward they're portrayed as iron clad scientific facts. "The science is settled". It's only when they turn out wrong that we hear that the information was incomplete and the science is continually improving. You can't expect people not to notice the continual crying wolf, and the excuses as to why we didn't actually see the wolf this time.

So, when the wolf does show up, are you just going to pretend the science is still not settled? Because the reality is the science is settled, there are no new scientific principles to be discovered; the only issue is the quality and timing of the modeling and the predicted outcome. Most everyone bets the stock market will continue to rise by virtue of their continued 401K contributions, and yet, on any given morning there is zero assurance that the stock market will rise that day. So, should I stop investing because the market went down yesterday?

TTFN (ta ta for now)
I can do absolutely anything. I'm an expert!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

faq731-376 forum1529 Entire Forum list

http://www.eng-tips.com/forumlist.cfm