Failure to recognize when an aerosol isn't a droplet, but without the stubborn dissagreements. 7

[moon161]

For discussion of the primary matter of this thread, but the stubborn dissagreements can remain there.

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=483537

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

I have heard that UK needs to hit 85% one dose.

They are into the difficult sections of the population now so expect the first numbers to go way down.

Truth be told UK was about to implode but then the army logistics and medics did there thing and a load of extremely sweary none commissioned officers got given the task of "fucking sort it" which is what they are brilliant at.

I got jabbed for gulf 1 and three army combat medics did 600 of us in the space of 4 hours. With a mid wife as the emergency response medic. We didn't even stop moving when they stuck it in us. The pub was open at 2pm. The mid wife was three sheets to the wind by 1pm. Only one person had an issue but a glass of red wine dealt with that.

 

[RedSnake]

There is people who have had double shot over two weeks ago dying of covid again.

Is there any indication whether this is people that the vaccin didn't "take on" or not.
The vaccin only gives 93 to 95 % of people vaccinated immunity both for Pfizer and Moderna and it's lower for Astra, J&J.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[electricpete]

> Truth be told UK was about to implode but then the army logistics and medics did there thing and a load of extremely sweary none commissioned officers got given the task of "fucking sort it" which is what they are brilliant at.

"implode"... do you mean the medical people giving the shots were overloaded? (we have no shortage of people to administer shots in the US... we just have a shortage of arms to receive the shots).

Btw Alistair, what EU country are you from?

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[Alistair_Heaton]

It was logistics and the rules.

Army have a raft of vehicles and drivers that have a 24h/7 contract.

Civi licensing and transport rules don't apply to army

We used to do organ transfers two squaddies a class A hire car and a fuel card and we could do Glasgow Great Ormond Street in 4 hours a civi couldn't.

When we did it during the night we only dropped below 100 twice most of the time it was 115 mph plus pedal to the metal.

 

[RedSnake]

He is from Scotland.
That's why I can't understand him, half the time. ;-)
Just kidding, love your expressions Alistair.
I learn something new everyday.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

As for the personnel apparently it was an issue to begin with. The NHS was overloaded, they had all these nightingales hospitals but no staff for them.

They said that everyone had to do a series of courses which were your standard bum covering HR type stuff and also they were wanting the full contact with children checks done. Which takes a month normally. If they were doing it through the NHS trusts

There was dentists having to do 40 hours of CBT in there spare time just to spend the weekend in the mass vaccination centres. And as for the child security check it just looked stupid as they were in the age 60 plus getting vaccinated period. It was similar for retired nurses and Doctors willing to help. They wanted them to have the full up to date paper work pack.

There is some legal allowance to allow military medics of all grades to practise in the NHS. So combat medics go and do shifts in Accident and Emergency and the like and they don't have to do all the HR box ticking.

Anyway they solved the issue and the matter disappeared, quite what legal fiddles occurred I have no clue or if the military exemption was used. It was about the same time that the logistic issues disappeared as well.

The above is not fact, just what I saw over the period. I have a gut feel that the military joker was played to get round a few red tape hurdles. But I could be wrong and they actually changed the red tape.

 

[BrianPetersen]

That's sad. I heard the 'try and give everybody one shot strategy' is working pretty bad against the new strain.

We'll find out over the next month.

What I've been hearing (various sources) is that the UK's cases are about 90% delta variant and we (Canada) are around 25% and increasing. We're somewhat ahead on first doses and I suspect (can't prove) our first doses are somewhat more evenly distributed in the population ... UK seems to be adhering more strictly to age groups for vaccine distribution. I'm not sure where their threshold is now but it probably means they've got few teens and twentysomethings vaccinated. This report

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...-vaccine-uptake-ontario-epi-summary.pdf?la=en

(which is a week or so behind the real situation on the ground) shows the age group coverage in my province. (See figure 3) - Even teens have single-dose almost 50% coverage taking into account that this is about a week behind. The 18-29 group ought to be over 60% now. First-dose protection against delta variant evidently isn't all that great but it's better than nothing, and it reduces the chance of ending up in hospital from it.

The problem is that second-dose coverage is only around 10%, mind you, that's mostly health-care workers, people with certain health conditions, and the over-80 age group, so fingers crossed we've got the worst risks covered, and second-dose coverage is increasing fast. The big question is whether it increases fast enough to stay ahead of the delta variant.

We've still got public health measures in place. Indoor retail only opened up yesterday at greatly reduced capacity, and indoor restaurants are off limits. No crowds at outdoor sporting events, indoor is off limits, kids are learn-at-home the rest of this school year.

Anecdotally - aside from a small number of known deniers/antivaxxers, everyone that I know has had one dose and some have had their second ... I haven't had my second yet. The deniers/antivaxxers are small in number but have an extremely high noise level.

 

[RedSnake]

Here in Sweden, the government has very few opportunities to exercise restrictions if they are not already written into law, so most of them have been recommendations.
The government have been able to request that the police uphold some already in place laws, that actually have other purposes than reducing the spread of infection, for example dissolve crowds.
But then only if it is considered an illegal demonstration, if people only meet to socialize they can do nothing.

The military may not be used for civilian purposes except in certain exceptional cases and on request.
So when they managed to introduce pandemic laws, now at the beginning of the year, there were too few people to check that they were complied with.
But it was solved to some extent by bringing in other professional categories for this, for example, they used animal inspectors, who are trained veterinarians, to check that restaurants and outdoor cafes maintained the distance and sanitation requirements and closing times.
I guess inspecting livestock or pub visitors may not be a big difference. ;-)

The military had trained a lot in setting up vaccination posts especially in the outer regions where it is far to larger cities and they were just waiting to get a request, do not know how it actually went.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[RedSnake]

In Sweden the deniers/antivaxxers are small in number and far in-between and they do not have a media platform.

I have heard one or two saying they want get vaccinated.
One was and old friend, she actually have had Covid-19, she hade bought into allot of the propaganda in the beginning.
I told her flat out you need to read up properly on that stuff, you are much smarter then that, and go get your shots.

The only uprising was around the AstraZeneca vaccin.
But I do not think that, that is the same as believing your DNA will be altered or that you will become magnetic if you get vaccinated.
With the AstraZeneca vaccin there where at least some facts involved.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

there is a some heart issue with the Pfizer now showing.

But with like the other issues there its more likely that an effect will occur with the contraceptive pill and antibiotics than the covid vaccines

 

[RedSnake]

This is the sats for variants Sweden, it is week numbers.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[electricpete]

That's good for Sweden the delta / Indian / B.1.671.2 variant is so low.

Here is the recent progression of variants in the US (graphic below). They don't label the Indian /delta/ B.1.617.2 variant in the bar charts. But if you hover over the bars on the website you can see the dark purple at the bottom is deltal/Indian which is 6.1% for the 2-week period ending 6/5/21... I drew in the letter delta myself. (To add a confusion factor, the table on RHS is an earlier period, and btw if you want to get the graph with that last purple bar labeled "**" like I did, then make sure to press the "now-cast" option on the page).

I think I put a pessimistic spin on the prospects for US in an earlier post (EDIT - THAT WAS A DIFFERENT FORUM, SORRY) by predicting we would follow the UK pattern in 4-8 weeks. The optimistic spin is to note that many people (like Michael Osterholm) were predicting the same thing when the UK variant was originally spreading in UK earlier this spring ... i.e. many said that we would get a spike of cases from UK variant here in the US. But we never did see any significant spike from UK variant this spring in the US although it did indeed come to dominate cases. I'm not sure of all the reasons that we didn't get much of a spike earlier this spring from the UK variant (just a mild uptick in the otherwise decreasing case curve in early/mid April), but let's hope that those same reasons (along with our further immunity progress since then) help us avoid a spike from the Indian variant in the US when everyone is trying to relax on vacation this summer.


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