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Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom by Dr Patrick Moore 5

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rb1957

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Apr 15, 2005
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Here is Dr. Patrick Moore's description of his unique thesis as presented in Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom. "It dawned on me one day that most of the scare stories in the media today are based on things that are invisible, like CO2 and radiation, or very remote, like polar bears and coral reefs. Thus, the average person cannot observe and verify the truth of these claims for themselves. They must rely on activists, the media, politicians, and scientists - all of whom have a huge financial and/or political interest in the subject - to tell them the truth. This is my effort, after 50 years as a scientist and environmental activist, to expose the misinformation and outright lies used to scare us and our children about the future of the Earth. Direct observation is the very basis of science. Without verified observation it is not possible to know the truth. That is the sharp focus of this book." The book contains 98 color photographs, illustrations, and charts. A key target audience is parents who do not approve of the "progressive" school curriculum and its alarmism about the future of civilization and the natural world. Dr. Moore hopes these parents will read his book and pass it on to their high-school and older children to give them an alternative to the bleak future predicted by the merchants of doom. Many other audiences will also find the book informative and convincing. In 11 chapters the reader is clearly shown that citizens are being misinformed by so many environmental doomsday prophesies, ones they cannot verify for themselves. We are told that nuclear energy is very dangerous when the numbers prove it is one of the safest technologies. We are told polar bears will go extinct soon when their population has been growing steadily for nearly 50 years. We are told that there is something harmful in genetically modified food crops when it is invisible, has no name and no chemical formula. We are told severe forest fires are caused by climate change when they are actually caused by poor management of fuel load (dead wood) in the forest. We are told that all the coral reefs will die by 2100 when in fact the most diverse coral reefs are found in the warmest oceans in the world. And of course, we are told that invisible CO2 from using fossil fuels, accounting for more than 80 percent of our energy supply, will make the Earth too hot for life. All of these scare stories, and many more, are simply not true. And this book will convince you, your family, and your colleagues of that. There is no substitute for the truth. Dr. Patrick Moore was one of the co-founders of Greenpeace and sailed on the first Greenpeace campaign against US H-bomb tests in Alaska. Upon receiving his PhD in ecology, he spent 15 years in the top committee of Greenpeace and led many of its environmental campaigns. Greenpeace began as a group of volunteers with noble intentions. Over the years it became very successful with campaigns to save the whales, stop the mass slaughter of baby seals, prevent toxic dumping into the air, water and earth, and many more. Greenpeace found itself in the early 1980s with more than $100 million coming in annually and close to 1,000 people on the payroll. It had become a business and fundraising moved to the top of the priority list. New campaigns were more about using sensationalism, misinformation and fear to attract donations. Dr. Moore said good-bye in 1986 as Greenpeace was turning into a racket peddling junk science. Since then he has strived to be a sensible environmentalist, basing his beliefs on sound science and logical thinking. This book is the culmination of 50 years of learning during Dr. Moore's multi-faceted quest for the truth about environmental issues (an historical account of Dr. Moore's 15 years with Greenpeace and his analysis of environmental subjects are in his previous book, "Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout - The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist, also on Amazon).

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It actually makes sense for 1000 year events to happen back to back as there hasn't been sufficient time for conditions to change back to normal.
 
By definition, 1000-yr events are aberrant events that should not require a "change back to normal." The fact that this is an argument already suggests that it's no longer a 1000-yr event.

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Maybe it's become a 10 year return period event... [pipe]

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
Hang on, who said pre-industrial global temperatures were the optimum? If you had a thermostat for the world where would you set it? We are feeding more people (which is actually the real CO2 issue) better food (with exceptions), living longer, have more toys (toys are important to monkeys) and fewer people are dying from natural disasters.

On the other hand we are building ever more houses in flood plains, emptying aquifers, draining swamps, and wondering why we are getting wet feet more often. And expecting the government to sort it out because we chose to live on a flood plain. I can't build a house on my plot below a certain contour because that contour is the historical flood height of our creek.

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one of the few legitimate purposes of a government is to look after the long term interests of the people... by preventing this sort of condition to develop in the first place... they have failed.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
Correct. At least in Australia it is a silly state of affairs where local councils permit houses to be built on the nice flat flood plains, make their vig in the usual fashion, and then expect the Feds to sort it out when the inevitable happens.

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Greg Locock


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"Hang on, who said pre-industrial global temperatures were the optimum? If you had a thermostat for the world where would you set it? We are feeding more people (which is actually the real CO2 issue) better food (with exceptions), living longer, have more toys (toys are important to monkeys) and fewer people are dying from natural disasters."

greg, greg, greg (head shaking) ... the pre-industrial conditions were "clearly" what the environment wanted to be before man started messing with things ... burning FFs, building stuff everywhere, creating waste heat, creating herds of animals whose farts will lead to our destruction, etc. so "clearly" resetting to that condition removes the impact man has had on the environment. the fact that we've "improved" things (as you point out) is "wrong".

personally I think we should get rid of those "insects" (a pint in the pub for the first post who gets that reference).

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?
 
Optimal would be to leave it as it was, before you interfered with it... not the case and still not the case.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
Here is an odd article. It kind of meanders around a bit and lands on an unexpected conclusion but provides some interesting information about pre-history and the solar system.


But, it does touch on something significant, the 11 year solar cycle. We are currently in the worst draught in recent history since 2013. This aligns with IM's 10 year flood story.

But, it brings in to perspective the coarseness of our data. If our conditions only repeat once every 10 years then we have really only been through 10 cycles or so while we have accurate records and not the 100 cycles if our weather was truly annual. That really cuts in to our feelings of empiricism a bit.
 
That's the problem... Winnipeg will get warmer, at the expense of others.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
dik said:
Optimal would be to leave it as it was, before you interfered with it... not the case and still not the case.

There is an idea that ecosystems and the environment would be in some kind of "static equilibrium" if humans had not mucked things up. And, that this "equilibrium" is something that we need to take actions to bring back.

I tend not to agree. My opinion is that these complex systems are constantly changing. There may be some form of dynamic equilibrium over time. Take the kind of wildlife management that we've done in Yellowstone. We're constantly taking action to restore the wolf, elk or puma population to some imagined "proper" levels. But, mother nature does this on their own. If we artificially curb the wolf or puma population, then the elk and deer populations rise, and their are consequences to the overall system. If there is an abundance of prey, the wolf and puma populations tend to have more success. If those populations get too high then the elk population goes down.

It may not be year to year, but over decades, this dynamic equilibrium becomes apparent. And, history has shown us that human intervention to "fix" the ecology in these systems tends to be problematic at best.

Now, there is not DIRECT correlation between this sort of thing and AGW. But, there is some indirect correlation. So, taking actions to restore everything to pre-industrial CO2 levels may very well have unintended consequences.

Sorry for the non-sequitur.... I just wanted to point out that idea of an "optimal" level of anything in a system as complex and dynamic as our atmosphere is something of a dubious concept.
 

There's no question that they are complex dynamic systems, with slight changes when measured in a geologioc time scale. We've effected these changes in a few decades or maybe centuries... just a 'blip' in any measure of real time. Our carbon footprint isn't the highest it's ever been, but it's the highest it's been while humans have been on earth (the last 2-4 million years. We don't know what the effects this will have on our current life. There is a real problem using the excuse, 'it was always changing, or it's too difficult to manage', to avoid doing something now; that's where the harm is. Chicken Little only has to be right, once!

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
Geologic history is fascinating but I only care about the next two generations. You know, the period we can do something about. Keeping in mind that Nature (not sure what pronoun to apply anymore) is not listening to our opinions.

Rather than engage with climate denialists on CO2 emissions, I will ask:

'OK, which one of harmful combustion emissions/forever chemicals/species extinction/plastic pollution/flooding/catastrophic fires/multi-decade drought/clean water shortages/disaster capitalism/internet-induced mental illness, which we all are causing (or at least permitting), will your grandchildren find acceptable to live with?

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 

...and she can be a cruel mistress.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
We really should be burning our plastics for power generation instead of recycling them. That would create an immediate reduction in plastic pollution, GHG emissions, and oil consumption.
 
There are going to have to be some serious lifestyle changes.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?

-Dik
 
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