Hurricanes, Sea water, Corrosion and EV's 13

[enginesrus]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-florida-after-hurricane-ian/

It appears Li Ion battery's don't do so good with sea water, corrosion, and hurricane's. Many other threads on the net explain the tons of water
that the fire people need to attempt to extinguish the fires. I would like to see the pollution figures of an EV fire.
And on topic the pollution figures of all operations required to manufacture those battery's.

 

[Factoter]

The Volt dash display is showing a running average of calculated mileage. The car sees only one end of the equation, the other side is the utility metering; these are the numbers used by the EPA for equivalent overall mileage comparisons. Apples and oranges. (Greetings from a fellow Canuck!)

 

[BrianPetersen]

My utility bill for last month would suggest that what the car's onboard display is saying is pretty close to what the utility meter is saying, and what the utility meter is saying is what I am paying for!

There is very little loss between the utility meter on the side of the house and what's going into the battery in the car.

 

[FacEngrPE]

Differences in kW metered at your billing meter and the vehicle may be the difference in legal for trade metering class, and fit for purpose (whatever is needed for the vehicle charging/operation to work correctly).

 

[Factoter]

In the short term, within the present infrastructure constraints, merit should be given to hybrids, because hybrids are on on a comparable, if not equivalent, level of EV’s (which was Tug’s point above). And, it can be noted that F1 hybrids are at 52% thermal efficiency, this is with electric turbo MGU, but as Tug also mentions, the time-proven series ICE hybrids have even greater potential. Granted, battery hybrids are presently favored for certain reasons, and this thread is questioning Lithium’s viability and integrity; yet there remains opportunities for improvement and reinventing the wheels, as always.

 

[LionelHutz]

We should start at the beginning and electrify the mining trucks that collect the raw materials. Once that is achieved then we can move on to electrifying everything else.

So, talking out your clueless ass again? There is a huge market for electric mining equipment and mines are definitely switching to battery powered equipment above just the straight electric equipment they have always had. Not having diesels running underground is a HUGE savings for a mine. Turning over the air fast enough to vent exhaust so miners can safely work underground costs massive amounts of money. Then, the big open pit haul trucks are already diesel-electric so converting to battery-electric isn't that big a stretch and the operation and maintenance costs are easily paying back the investment.

 

[dik]

Play nice, gentlemen (binary term for PC).

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-Dik

 

[FacEngrPE]

It's a real product

https://im-mining.com/2020/02/13/ca...lley-assist-cat-electric-drive-mining-trucks/

This mining truck uses diesel power as the source when not under the power lines. It is not practical to run powerlines all over the working area, and better the system arranged in this manner has a potential to have a economic benefit large enough to be marketable.

The Case for Trolley Assist

 

[LionelHutz]

And using trolley lines has been in use by some mines since the 80's.

 

[FacEngrPE]

This web page describes mining applications as far back as 1939. Admitted the trucks were much smaller than current.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleytruck